National Treasure 3 & 4 ?! Big Thunder Mountain ... The Movie ?!

Disney Plans For National Treasure 3 & 4 | /Film

Jim Hill — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 04:18:48 GMT

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Jim Hill — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 05:57:25 GMT

I definatly came up with the idea of a Big Thunder novie long ago, so I guess it was a good idea ;) My hope is it's a historical western a la Pirates and not a modern-day-set flick a la Haunted Mansion and Country Bears.

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Jim Hill — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 08:21:47 GMT

Looking back....haunted mansion could have been the BEST ride to movie. Was that Eisner greenlighting? I am sure he reminded everyone in the room that he created Raiders of the Lost Ark...again.............20 years earlier.

One question: Why don't the parks do anything for the show "LOST"?

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Jim Hill — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 08:59:38 GMT

Why start a new franchise when you can just plus one? As in, "The Lone Ranger: Showdown at Big Thunder Mountain". This way it would be easy to incorporate LR into the parks, as well as provide some theming for the movie. Like say a meeting with Prof. Cumulus Isobar the rainmaker.

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Jim Hill — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:28:17 GMT

Let's just put it all to rest and say that the backstory of Big Thunder Mountain has already been written! The movieis quite simple, really, this amazing engineering genius, let's call him Jason Chandler, has to use his amazing tunneling machine to rescue trapped miners lost inside the Big Thunder Mountain caverns. In the process of doing so, he discovers a vein of gold so enormous that the existence of it would destroy the world's economy. so, Jason, being the wise person he is, takes what he neerds to fund his own research and discovery projects and leaves the intense Mother Lode hidden from the world....hethen builda a remarkabe research center along California's rugged northern coast line, and, in the 2nd film of the series, goes off and finds Captain Nemo's abandoned NAUTILUS.....

Get it together, Disney...you've already got the story in place...just let it roll!

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Jim Hill — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:33:07 GMT

sorry about the letters clumping - my keyboard is sticking and I gotta go buy a new one...Jim, feel free to fix the spacing and stuff up, if you can..

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Jim Hill — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:43:51 GMT

NAT'L TREASURE 3 - nobrainer. NAT'L TREASURE 2 was almost a segue movie in a trilogy...it didn't really fill a full story arc. And. let's face it. the lack of a real antagonist in the story (The guy who is doing something to "better his family name", too - left something hanging that was out of place for me...) and, if you really know the backstory of the KGC (Knights Golden Circle) - the secret society of the Confederate Nation, then, you really have the foundation for an amazing continuation of this organization still bent on destroying the United States and reforming the Confederate Nation to dominate the world and all sorts of other nasty stuff...

If you want a good read on this, the book that helped to guide the KGC story in NAT'L TREASURE 2 is still available - REBEL GOLD by Warren Getler and Bob Brewer....the book not only goes into many modern treasure hunts that call for the abilties that Cage shows in his character in the N.T. series, but, tells the deep story of the KGC, it's more famous agents (including Jesse James), how caches of Confederate gold were buried across the south-east and the southwest, how some of these caches may still be guarded today, and, how this secret society may still be in existence....

I personally think that the story arc started in NT 2 isn't over, and, that our brief touch of introduction to the KGC in the 2nd film is only an introduction to this dastardly organization that still has the large caches of gold waiting to be dug up and used for world domination....

I highly recommend getting a copy of REBEL GOLD and reading it...I couldn't put the thing down when I saw where things could lead to....

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Jim Hill — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:45:01 GMT

National Treasure 3: House of Plastic. Ben Frank Gates and his ever-growing family have to brave an Anaheim landfill in search of the Mosanto House of the Future ruins in order to prove his grandfather wasn't a McCarthy informant or the Second Gunman.

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Jim Hill — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:55:39 GMT

Doesn't this turn it into International Treasure?

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Jim Hill — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:07:07 GMT

To Ilsoap:

No, because the true treasure would still be back in the states, with big clues being placed around the globe, as you saw a but if in NT2.

Anyway, I'm glad to have you back and reporting on Disney, Jim. Two thumbs up for this article.

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Jim Hill — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 20:53:01 GMT

i would not mind more movies on national treasure. They remind me of the times when movies where fun. Nothing to take to serious but still enjoyable.

As for an attraction, i see this as an oppurtunity to add a new land for Hong Kong Disneyland without duplicating and/or promoting the Indiana Jones franchise for another studio.

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Jim Hill — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 21:46:59 GMT

Funny... as I was reading this I thought to myself that Disney would try to link Pirates and National Treasure with the whole "Fountain of Youth" thing. It just seems like something they would try.

Another tactic of the Disney Movie Machine lately has been to completely fill the movie with cameo's and hidden "stuff" that disneyana fans go nuts over. Too bad that didn't work for Enchanted. That movie didn't do nearly as well as I had hoped... just imagine what Disney's thinking.

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Jim Hill — Sat, 02 Feb 2008 03:27:06 GMT

I saw NT2 tonight, and really enjoyed it. Not that they're "great" movies, but they are really fun movies. I wouldn't mind seeing more.

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Jim Hill — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 07:31:19 GMT

Skipperwest, I think I did a Light Magic on that one...can't find the promised Chandler article; maybe I never sent it in...I know I used it for my MTM class (coming soon to JHM)...I'll keep poking around.

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Jim Hill — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 07:32:53 GMT

Aha! Jeff Pepper has it, from Disney News:

http://www.disneyworldtrivia.com/articleViewer.php?aid=514

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Jim Hill — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 11:38:41 GMT

Give that woman a martin!, Heck, give her martini, if she wants two........;)

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Jim Hill — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 16:47:47 GMT

Please not Atlantis. We already saw that movie and its sequel!

I think the treasure should be associated with American history as in the first two movies, although it is good to have to go all over to track clues.

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Jim Hill — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 01:35:26 GMT

I've always thought this-

http://www.disneyworldtrivia.com/articleViewer.php?aid=514

was inspired by this-

http://www.wsmr.army.mil/pao/VictorioPeak/vipt1.htm

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Jim Hill — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 21:13:55 GMT

Somebody asked "Why invent a new franchise when you can just plus an existing one?" Here is why that is a REALLY dumb question, with all due respect:

1. Existing franchises often aren't yours--for example, somebody's paying somebody for rights to "The Lone Ranger" characters, and we all know from past experience with Disney's Muppet and Pixar and Pooh and Oz associations how sticky that kind of shared copyright teamwork can get legally and financially. When it comes to hit characters that have a long, happy, profitable life, the old song says it: "God bless the child who's got his own."

2. Once upon a time in a movie franchise galaxy VERY far away from today's world of cheap DVD's, home streaming video, and PIRATES of, not the Spanish Main, but the shiny disks, people used to make movies like the original "Star Wars" trilogy megahits not by seeing them once or even twice but by going back and shelling out admissions again and again and again. Now, due to all the factors above, they don't. I literally overheard a kid at one of the recent Lucas-isms saying to his Mom when they exited the multiplex "Gosh, that was great, Mom! When do you suppose the DVD will come out?" Mom said, "Probably October or November for Christmas" (This was August) and the KID said "Great! Then I don't have to pay to see it again, I can wait!"

Franchises, in short, have a much shorter "shelf life" per episode these days than they used to, and all that home replaying wears out even a really good idea faster than it used to. True, there is a certain fun in the familiarity of a "franchise" flick: You go to see James Bond because you KNOW he's gonna do great stunts, bang great broads, and blow away great and eccentric badguys. Its like a comfy old sweater you bring out every fall. But even sweaters wear out and fray....so you have to buy new ones.

3. NEW franchises (by which I mean NEW characters/stories that can become so popular they take on a longevity and have sequel potential) are quite literally whole new industries of their own. They spin off other characters, they create merchandise and, as we all know, even inspire theme park rides, etc. etc.

So tell me folks: WHY if you are all constantly clamoring for NEW attractions and NEW parks and NEW ideas from Imagineering do you sit there hoping for recycling when it comes to movies? Why not have Mickey and Donald meet Cap'n Jack and Barbarossa and seek out the secrets of the Yeti high atop the Matterhorn..er, Everest, and, by the way, they can run into a hopping-mad Captain Nemo who's looking to sue some animator for using his name for a fish, and then a little girl in a blue and white dress can lead them down a rabbit hole where they find....well, either the Holy Grail or Mike Eisner's toupee or....

Why'd I stop? Because you can only string these things out for so long and so far....and at "Pirates" IV, they'll have already reached the breaking point because this is NOW, not the 70's or 80's and we've SEEN this trick over and over already and we are NOT going to shell out $400 million in boxoffice to see "National Treasure VII: The Wrath Of Cage!"

Honest.

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