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Toon Tuesday : Will Disney Animation's latest "Rapunzel" rescue attempt have a negative impact on "Bolt" 's debut ?

Jim Hill wonders if Glen Keane's exit will result in more reporters asking about why Chris Sanders was taken off of "American Dog"
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SuperGrover said:

I will see Bolt.  But am I excited or even interested?  No.

October 14, 2008 12:59 AM
 

MalDragon said:

First of all, I really do not envy the position that Lasseter and Catmull find themselves in right now.  I think they have definitely made strides in getting Disney animation back on the right track, but they are still very much in the period where they're trying to fix the problems from well before their tenure at the studio began.

What I had heard is that Keane has not so much been removed from "Rapunzel" as pushed out of the top spot and into a lesser position.  I hope this is the case, because the one area in which I think "Bolt" could have really benefited from the influence of Chris Sanders is the visuals.  Whatever the story issues "American Dog" may have had, the early character designs boasted a lot of the uniqueness and appeal of Sanders's trademark style.  While the final visuals in "Bolt" look nice enough, there's really no strong direction to the look of the film, nothing to really make it stand out from the crowd of other 3D animated feature films.  And with a story that is already striking some potential moviegoers as awfully similar to Buzz Lightyear's character arc in the first "Toy Story," "Bolt" really could have used some unique visual punch to help it feel more like its own thing.  

"Rapunzel" has been through so many changes throughout its development that I don't think it takes an insider to recognize that the film has problems.  Heck, even if all you know is the original fairy tale, you may be wondering how a character who is largely known for being trapped in a tower and maintaining a ridiculously lengthy hairstyle could be turned into an interesting and appealing character who takes a more active role in her own story.  But the one thing that has kept me interested in seeing this film even as it's gone from straight-up fairy tale to modernized send-up and back again is the promise of seeing what Glen Keane can do with 3D.  Press articles on the film pushed the idea that this movie would bridge the gap between Disney's past classics and the studio's new direction.  For once, Disney 3D animation wouldn't be playing catch-up with Pixar or DreamWorks; they would be working to their traditional strengths.

Given everything I've read about the story issues on "Rapunzel," I don't doubt that it needs help.  But I sincerely hope that Lasseter and Catmull can successfully salcage the baby while tossing out the bathwater.  I have never heard anyone say that "Rapunzel" is anything short of top-notch in the visual department.  And while that alone wouldn't save a film with a weak story, losing the artistic influence of Glen Keane would certainly decrease my interest in seeing the final film.

October 14, 2008 8:58 AM
 

longaway said:

"Make the movie you want to make. Tell your story."

Anyone remember _that_ quote?

Right or wrong, John Lasseter deserves to be questioned.  Since stepping into his role of as Creative Director (or whatever the exact title for his wide ranging role is), there have been many questionable decisions made that seem directly influenced solely by his personal preference.  

Whether or not removing Sanders was the appropriate decision, Lasseter's well known dislike for Lilo & Stitch needs to be mentioned.  That dislike definitely could have colored his view of the audience test results.  And removing Sanders, rigt after making the above quote, does not show a willingness to help Disney's creative staff fufill their vision in a mutually beneficial way (i.e. making that vision a movie).  It shows the standard Hollywood cut throat attitude all tied up in a happy Disney/Pixar wrapper.

Keane's removal from Rapunzel is something that we may never know the truth of.  Were the rumored health issues the true reason, or were there really insurmountable story issues that Keane & Co. couldn't overcome?  Either way, Keane's removal doesn't seem like the option that fit's in with the sentiment above.

Even in regards to the theme parks, Lasseter's personal preferences have led him to give the Florida parks much less attention than California, where he cut his teeth.  Witness the disparity between the Disneyland & Epcot versions of Nemo.  Disneyland had millions added to it's budget.  Epcot, clearly did not.  

Questioning Lasseter's motivations in regards to his decision making process is not a bad thing.  Perhaps there are issues that need to be worked out, and this will allow him to see them and fix them.  Perhaps there is nothing wrong, at all, and this will put the questions to bed.

October 14, 2008 9:30 AM
 

somepirateguy said:

Jim I'm surprised you didn't mention Glen's health issue or this memo that was sent around the studio....from what i have heard Keane had a small heart attack not that long ago; hard to direct a film when your having problems with your ticker.  Get better Glen!

For nearly two years, Glen Keane and Dean Wellins have been directing partners on Rapunzel. As Glen lessens his directorial responsibilities to attend to some non-life threatening health issues, their involvement on the project will shift. Glen will step back as a Director but stay attached to Rapunzel as an Executive Producer and Directing Animator. At the same time, Dean will move into development to pitch three new ideas for one of our future feature projects and focus on directing one of his CG shorts. We are happy to announce that Nathan Greno and Byron Howard have accepted to partner as directors on Rapunzel as we continue to hone the story in anticipation of our Holiday 2010 release. We want to welcome Nathan and Byron to the project and thank Glen and Dean for their great contributions to date on Rapunzel.

Thanks

Ed

www.raymation.net

October 14, 2008 12:04 PM
 

jedited said:

To Longaway, John Lasseter is a creative executive, BUT he also has a responsibility to the stockholders to make money. I think that John meant that he wouldn't allow what happened in the past where business executives came in and made changes so that they could sell more toys. Disney/Pixar needs to make GREAT movies, BUT they also need to make money.

In addition, Disneyland is getting the TLC it hasn't gotten over the last 20 years while it was COMPLETELY ignored while the company focused on WDW. Plus during the 50th DL demonstrated that it still had a lot of growth left in it. WDW hasn't grown that much and Corporate believes that DL has a greater growth potential.

Disneyland has a potential audience of 20 million people ALL within a few hours drive.

October 14, 2008 2:09 PM
 

ShakeMan73 said:

""Make the movie you want to make. Tell your story."

Anyone remember _that_ quote?"

The bit you are missing is that sometimes, despite the best of intentions, the original director is unable to fulfill his original promise.  Sanders was, most likely, not coming through with the story as needed for "American Dog".  That's what happened to Jan Pinkava on "Ratatouille".  For all his artistic and creative achievements, the story was not holding up and another hand was needed to right the ship.

In the case of "Meet the Robinsons", Stephen J. Anderson was able to respond to Lasseter's concerns, which were specifically to get the story back to what it had been.  Back to Anderson's original vision.  Clearly, Sanders was not able to do the same.

We may never know how much of Keane's supposed stepping down (remember, this still has not been officially announced) was health-related and how much was creativity-related.  But the fact that he (unlike Pinkava and Sanders) is staying on in a prominant creative role (exec producer and directing animator) leads me to believe that it is the health concerns and not creative ones that led to this decision.

October 15, 2008 8:37 AM
 

ShakeMan73 said:

Oh, and on topic, no, I don't think "Rapunzel" issues will affect "Bolt" coverage, except with specialized media like Jim or other Disney-specific places.  People don't care that much about backstage goings-on.  In the mainstream press we heard very little about "Ratatouille's" difficult path to the screen.

October 15, 2008 8:41 AM
 

LtPowers said:

MTR was "loaded with great design & quirky characters but was woefully short on heart and genuine entertainment"?  News to me!  I thought it had huge heart and I was genuinely entertained.

October 15, 2008 3:30 PM
 

peoplemover said:

i'm a few days late, but i just read the article and the thing that stood out to me was, "At the end of the day, what really matters is the quality of the finished film".

though i agree, i think it's been determined by wall street that, "at the end of the day, what really matters is how much money the film earned".

October 16, 2008 12:45 PM
 

Smilee306 said:

LtPowers said:

MTR was "loaded with great design & quirky characters but was woefully short on heart and genuine entertainment"?  News to me!  I thought it had huge heart and I was genuinely entertained.

The original script, the reason that the original director was pulled off the project.  They needed to add the heart back in...Jim says that...

October 20, 2008 1:03 AM
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