captain jack sparrow and the entire franchise of 'pirates' movies are as original as can be. in this day of remakes and rediculous movie ideas, it is good t see some old fashioned moviemaking. the first movie was fun, and i am sure the second, third, fourth, fifth, etc. would be also. as long as the stories don't get to involved, i.e. the star wars franchise. an original character with fun, not too serious storylines, i.e. indiana jones, is great for movies. just don't start calling them films, therein would be the beginning of the end.

In 5 years, most teenagers won't be teenagers anymore.  More than anything, the dvd's that get replayed over and over will keep the franchise alive. I didn't go to the 3rd Indiana Jones or the 4th Lethal Weapon or the 17th James Bond because of the comic book or internet game.
Make as many as you want, but get a better editor.

Perhaps a better question would be - how much "Pooh" is too much "Pooh"?

I did read somewhere a while back that  Johnny Depp would be interested in making more Pirate films.And seeing that Mr Depp has previously stated he wants to make movies that his kids can go watch I think its a possibility.And I think thats a main factor in all the more family style movies he's been doing lately like Corspe Bride and Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.Disney have a good thing going here with the Pirates Of The Carribean franchise and as long as it makes enough money and everyone involved enjoys making these movies,then I don't see why in a few years time we can't have POTC IV

I think that "Dead Man's Chest" will be an even bigger success than the first.  Many people that didn't see the movie in the theater have since seen it on DVD, and many of them will go see the new one in the theater.  I think all of this Pirates "stuff" is great; I'm glad that little boys will have their own franchise.

My thing is, if they do in fact go with a fourth Pirates movie, they can easily introduce a new pirate hero and replace Johnny should he not want to come back.  For all we know, Jack Sparrow's story arc ends in part 3.  They can easily follow Will Turner, or Chow Yun Fat's character, or again, a new pirate, in the fourth, thus effectively creating a new trilogy while keeping the Pirates theme going.    

The lesson of The Matrix sequels is wait and see.  Fabulous first film, amazing sequel buzz, excellent marketing and cross promotion, and then the sequels???  The sequels not only killed the franchise--but also killed the cult following of the first movie.  And yes, there are at least two theme park attractions based on The MAtrix, both at overseas WB parks.  But the Matrix isn't much of a draw anymore.  Hopefully these films are excellent.  I'm looking forward to seeing a good summer flick.  But it's way too early to start talking about 2011.

It's interesting to me that on another thread some people are screaming bloody murder over Disney's delving into Tinkerbell's past in order to expand the franchise, yet so far there's nary a peep over here when Diz does the same to Jack Sparrow. At any rate I think this idea rocks too. As long as quality is injected into the product, I'll take a look at it.

I think that Johnny will play Captain Jack for as long as possible. And I think that if Johnny had decided not to return, the movies wouldn't be as good with just Orlando and Keira (or entirely different people if no one returned). Johnny makes the movies. Without him, pssh.

I think three should do just fine. There are arguments to be made that Pirates makes for a good installment type series, James Bond-like, such that each movie's story stands well on it's own, but think what we have here is a little different. The recurring characters aren't static enough, they live separate sorts of lives, and their lives change entirely with every new adventure.

No, I think Pirates lends itself well only to a progessive-type series, and those types have to culminate in something. Now if that happens in four movies instead of three, that's great and wonderful. But I would very much regret if each movie leads to executives counting cash and saying, "Yep, I guess we'd better make another one." Adventures of this quality deserve a general vision, not tacked on and contrived ways of teaming up Jack Sparrow with Will and Elizabeth yet again.

I think there are so many die-hard Pirates fans, it would take a lot of over-do it.

I think the difference between delving into Jack Sparrow's past v. Tinkerbell's is that Tinkerbell herself is a much older franchise, dating back to Walt's time. Jack Sparrow, while part of the Pirate's franchise, is still a relatively new character. I think that is why people aren't raising a fuss.

Finally, as far as Mr. Depp never having to work again based on this new Pirate's deal ... I would say, looking at the movies he's made, especially recently, he already wouldn't ever have to work again if that's what he wanted.

Tinkerbell's past/ girl group is being put forward in all sorts of media. Captain Jack's is just a series of books which you can take or leave.

No, the difference between Tink v. Sparrow is that Pirates' marketing is based on selling an actual hit movie to a willing cash audience.   (Remember when Pirates 1 got virtually no opening-week tie-in marketing whatsoever, since DIsney only saw the movie as an extension of Pressler's "Ride movie" ideas, "Country Bears" had just belly-flopped, and Disney thought the whole idea was over before Pirates had even opened?)
Here, three years later, Disney knows there *are* people who like the movie and probably going to see the second one, and Diz's so surprised and grateful, they're shaking 'em down for all they're worth.

While "Disney Fairies" is the opposite, ie. someone ELSE's marketing idea (girls' fairy marketing, and not-so-coincidentally Barbie's version), with a quick surface paste-on overlay of recognizable Disney characters to keep it "in the family"--Much like the interchangeable breakfast cereals quickly re-tailored to fit Pooh, Mickey, or, well...Pirates.  :)

englishboy wrote:
The lesson of The Matrix sequels is wait and see.  Fabulous first film, amazing sequel buzz, excellent marketing and cross promotion, and then the sequels???  The sequels not only killed the franchise--but also killed the cult following of the first movie.
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Also an illustration of WHY to "Wait and see" with sequels to action movies that got by on Saturday-serial energy, quirky humor and affable heroes:

Usually, the "jinx" is that the second-time writers get a little *too* struck with their own audience-love cuteness and try to "up the ante" with more unnecessary character-banter baggage, a more off-topic storyline, or just other general additions that make it seem as if the franchise got too pleased with itself and went careening off the rails--
"Matrix Revolution", "IJ & Temple of Doom", "Jewel of the Nile", "Speed II", "Legend of Zorro", "Crocodile Dundee II"....Take your pick.  The Jinx hasn't been broken yet.  -_-

DerekJ wrote: The Jinx hasn't been broken yet.  -_-


Umm, the Empire Strikes Back, Toy Story 2, Aliens, Spiderman 2, the Second Rambo movie.  and those are the ones I thought of in 30 seconds.

Well let's hope that all this Pirates stuff is quality stuff.  Someone already mentioned The Matrix, I think as long as Disney keeps all the Pirates stories at a high level, we won't get a repeat of those.  Then again, lets not wait too long if they are going to make a 4th movie, J. Depp is already 40 years old, we don't want a repeat of Indiana Jones with a 60 something year old Harrison Ford in the lead.

They'll be in trouble if they focus soley on getting Johnny back for IV and beyond.  They need the character dynamics between Elizabeth, Will and Jack.

It still remains to be seen if Davy Jones has the same 'villain chemistry' with the three of them that Geoffrey Rush's Barbossa did.

They've brought back Pintel and Ragetti as the pirate comic relief, but left out Murtaugh and Mulroney as the soldier comic relief. They have Gibbs and Cotton but no AnaMaria.  They have Jack the monkey, but no Gillette. We have yet to see what difference that will make.  I'll guess negligible, but you never know.

They need to beware of falling into the most popular character trap.  If they think they can just take Captain Jack Sparrow and put him in any situation with just any other characters and have the same success, they're wrong.

Of course, a movie without Johnny would be an obvious failure, but he isn't the only factor in the success of POTC:COTBP.  So they had better be figuring Keira and Orlando's salaries (at least) into the budget for IV and beyond.

I missed seeing Pirates in a theater, but I'll be there for part 2, as long as Deadman's Chest doesn't fade out to the three most hated words in existence:

"to be continued"

If Depp doesnt want to come back, we can fold this into the emerging Disney Fairies theme and have Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhaal play pirates in part 4.

I think it is great that Disney has the opportunity to ride the wave of a franchise since they passed on Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings. As long as the movies are "good" then I don't think it really matters. If they throw out the story for special effects (Star Wars 1, 2 & 3) or go for "crotch-level" laughs (Police Academy 2 - 9), then we could be in for some continually good adventures. BUT it depends on the producers, cast, writers, etc. to make sure this happens. Good movie sequels will do better than bad cheap animated sequels.

Whats upsetting to me, is that Disney didnt think the original pirates was worth anything. I remember seeing the movie, being sooooo excited about it. And going to Disney, riding POTC, and being put into all the merchandise and not being able to find one aztec gold coin. Much less anything but Peter pan and Pirate Mickey stuff. I was so dissapointed! It took them more than a year to finally get the merchandise into the parks. And market on it.

And didnt we JUST talk about a certain Disney character, whos face was plastered all over the monorails, had a ride created in his honor, and had many (straight-to-video) sequels come out? And arent most of us a little sick of Stitch by now?

I hate to be that "hard-core scene person" that "saw pirates when it wasnt popular" (ie when it wasnt popular to the disney company) and now doesnt want to share its awesomeness with people who dont get it. (much like the really really "scene" kids in the music industry) But.... DONT PUSH PIRATES IN PEOPLES FACES!

Dont get me wrong. Its going to take MAN-POWER to keep me off the poor guy who gets to walk around WDW dressed as Jack Sparrow. I've already put aside money for bail incase I go nuts and get arrested... I love Pirates. And have loved Pirates my whole life. And i LOVE johnny depp, and well... bringing the two together... and making the kind of movies theyre gonna make... it seriously makes me excited. I just dont want people going "what? more pirates crap..." And i dont want to have to see a Universal commercial where a little boy exclaims "if i have to meet another pirate, i'm gonna puke!" Just let it be what it is, without marketing the bejesus out of it.

But yay for merchandise. Seriously.

I enjoyed the movie a whole hell of a lot and can't wait for the next one but the NAME OF JEEBUS

happened to keeping the RIDE and the MOVIES as 2 separate entities?  These friggin' Disney guys are telling me that my kids won't be able to enjoy the same POTC that I grew up with? That the great movies actually came from a great, original ride not just some movie tie-in (which is what they'll think till I have to go into the lengthy explaination which will be recieved with eyes rolling back in their heads with that "there goes dad again on the pirates rant" look on their faces)        ....ugg it's all futile, isn't it?

Don't forget all the other companies that are trying to cash in on the pirates craze.  There's gonna be a VegieTales pirate movie.  A Pirate Dinner Adventure just opened up near CA's Knott's Berry Farm.  A pirate themed mini-golf on Santa Monica Pier.  Disneyland is going to have a Jack Sparrow face character, singing pirate show, and pirates taking over the Columia.  Not to mention nearly all the store shelves. Etc Etc.

Next they need to bring back the original pirate battle show in Las Vegas' Treasure Island.  Oops, I meant "T.I."   ~sigh~

we need a pirates 4 ! now, please!

yeah it'll be cool with a spinoff about jack, but we really need is for most of pirates 4 to be about william and elizabeth [and their son]. there HAS to be kiera and orlando in the movie, if there is one.