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WDFA hopes that movie-goers will be bowled over when they finally "Meet the Robinsons" villain, the Bowler Hat Guy

WDFA hopes that movie-goers will be bowled over when they finally "Meet the Robinsons" villain, the Bowler Hat Guy

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Carver T. writes in to say:

Yesterday's Disney-at-SIGGRAPH story confused me ...


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Didn't you once do an article about how John Lasseter was demading that Disney Feature Animation make all of these changes to "Meet the Robinsons." Changes that included retooling and/or removing altogether that film's villain, the Bowler Hat Guy?


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And yet when I look over your most recent article, I see all sorts of images of the Bowler Hat Guy. So clearly this character is still in this Steve Anderson movie.

So what happened, Jim? Did you get your original story wrong? Or did Lasseter have a last-minute change of heart and then decide to give this "Meet the Robinsons" character a reprieve?


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To be honest, Carver T., it's neither.

Don't get me wrong, John Lasseter and Pixar's sacred seven (I.E.  "The Incredibles" director Brad Bird, "Monsters, Inc." director Pete Docter, "Finding Nemo" director Andrew Stanton, writer / director Bob Peterson, veteran story artist Brenda Chapman, editor Lee Unkrich and sound designer Gary Rydstrom) all had some very definite opinions about "Meet the Robinsons" when they first got to see a nearly finished version of Steve Anderson's film back in March.

In particular, this group of animation veterans were worried that the futuristic family featured in the film's title was just too eccentric for its good. That by making the Robinsons this quirky collection of kooks ... Well, that would make it really difficult for movie-goers to get emotionally involved with these characters. To make audiences truly care about the Robinsons.

And as for the Bowler Hat Guy ...


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Veteran "Chicago Sun-Times" film critic Roger Ebert once said that "Each film is only as good as its villain." And -- in the case of "Meet the Robinsons" -- as originally envisioned, the Bowler Hat Guy was this broadly comic villain. More a vehicle to showcase the sort of flowing, fluid computer animation that only Disney could produce (Which would -- in theory -- make the Mouse's movies really stand out from the crowd. Making WDFA's new CG features appear to be different from all of those other animated films that Pixar, DreamWorks Animation, Sony Imageworks and Blue Sky Studios were now cranking out), rather than a character that could actually drive the film's plot. Bring a genuine sense of menace and suspense to the proceedings.


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So -- obviously -- the people from Pixar felt that "Meet the Robinsons" is a movie with some pretty significant flaws. But here was their problem: The movie that these folks were shown was 85% done. More to the point, it was then being hyped as this very personal project for director Steve Anderson. (You see, Anderson was adopted when he was just an infant. And given that "Meet the Robinsons" main character, Lewis, is a small boy who's looking to get adopted ... While, obviously Lewis' situation had a lot of emotional resonance with the film's director. Many of the questions that this MTR character is looking for answers for were questions that Anderson himself had asked over the course of his childhood).  


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So here you have an animated feature that's virtually already complete, a project that the film's director feels a deep personal connection to ... And yet you're now the new boss at WDFA. And you think that "Meet the Robinsons" still needs a lot of work in order for this material to be able to connect with movie-goers. How would you then proceed?

To give the crew from Pixar a lot of credit, they proceeded with extreme caution. These folks realized that John Lasseter & Ed Catmull were still in their get-acquainted phase with the staff at WDFA. And John & Ed really wanted to make a good impression. 


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So rather than charging in and demanding that all sorts of changes be made immediately to "Meet the Robinsons," Lasseter & the Sacred Seven supposedly met with Anderson privately. And then were very careful to frame their editorial comments about his film as thoughts or suggestions. Ideas that Steve could then pick & choose to use as he reworked his movie.

Most of the changes that the folks from Pixar were asking for ... Well, they were concentrated in the film's second act. When the bulk of the Robinson clan first enters the motion picture. More importantly, this is where the Bowler Hat Guy's dark scheme really begins to unfold.


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The changes that were made to this part of the motion picture? ... Well, what was once described to me as "radical surgery" ... Now WDFA insiders preferred to describe as "fine-tuning." With a lot of attention being paid to how particular characters were initially introduced in this film. So that movie-goers now get the impression that -- while the Robinsons may be this colorful collection of characters -- they aren't just kooks. That this is a family that clearly cares for one another.

As for the Bowler Hat Guy ...


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... He's still mostly a comic villain. A great showcase for Dale Baer's animation. But -- at the same time -- thanks to a few new lines of dialogue as well as several tweaked scenes -- the Bowler Hat Guy has a bit more edge now. Though this character still gets more than his share of laughs in the film, he's also now a credible threat to Lewis & Wilbur Robinson. Which (it is hoped) will help movie-goers get that much more emotionally invested in the proceedings.

Speaking of which ...


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According to folks that I spoke with at SIGGRAPH last week, Disney already done at least one test screening of the recently revamped version of "Meet the Robinsons." And even though the film's second act was this hodgepodge of storyboard inserts & sequences that weren't completely animated, I'm told that the movie still played like gangbusters. That the test audience responded that much more strongly to the material.

Which seems to have pleased Steve Anderson (pictured below)


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... Who -- in case you haven't heard -- is not only the director of "Meet the Robinsons." He's also the man who provides the voice for the Bowler Hat Guy.

So anyway, Carver T., to answer your question ... It wasn't that my original story was wrong. The folks at Pixar did ask that some pretty significent changes be made to "Meet the Robinsons." And that work is still being done by the folks in Burbank right now.

But what I really find fascinating about all this is ... Well, the tact and restraint that was used in this particular situation. After years of hearing about how badly David Stainton treated WDFA staffers, how -- in the middle of a pitch session -- the former president of Walt Disney Feature Animation would put his head down on the table and literally groan with disgust if he disliked your idea ... I can't tell you how refreshing it is to hear that the artists & technicians who work at Disney Feature Animation are now actually being treated like adults. 

Which perhaps explain all of the optimistic news that I hear coming out of WDFA these days. With lots of folks there talking about how they think that this division of the Walt Disney Company has really turned a corner. How the dark days are over, how WDFA may now finally be on its way back.

What's that you say? An upbeat article about the Walt Disney Company on JHM? And on a Monday no less. What is it, April 1st?

No, it's August 7, 2006. Which is a very interesting time to be making your living writing about the Walt Disney Company.

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  • Zzzzzzzzzzz .... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz .... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz .... zzzzzzzzzzzzz ...

    Huh?? Wuh?? Wazzat?? Oh ... another Meet the Robinsons story ... guess I can go back to sleep now ...
  • It's always amazing to me how Jim is never wrong.  

    Perhaps the word "rumors" should be added to the moniker "News, reviews, history and commentary about the entertainment industry (But mostly about the Mouse).

    Back-pedaling would be so much easier then.
  • I'm starting to believe that the best case scenerio is that "culture of the mouse" won't damage Pixar.  It's starting to look like Pixar is going to be ineffective--from the theme parks (except for making more Pixar rides), to 2d animation, to Disney's own Pixar knock-off films--to improve Burbank and Glendale.  The mediocre mouse culture is just too strong.  Maybe it is time for Jobs to rethink Iger situation?  What does everyone else think?
  • It looks like the chorus should sing "he's Mr Heat Miser" whenever bowler hat guy enters.

    I noticed here's what was written about Stainton in an earlier "Why For?" : "A guy who really understands how important it is to nuture and protect artists, not abuse and neglect them."
                 - but it wasn't that my original (posting) was wrong....

    Alright, alright, I know stories are based on the info available at the time.

    Frankly, I think artists will listen to the Pixar crew, since Pixar has had - what's the word I'm looking for? - oh, success. Let's see, Lassetter has written and directed a few successful films. Stainton has - what's the word I'm looking for? - not. Besides, many of us have "groaned with disgust" over what WDFA has been putting out recently - I can't really fault Stainton there.
  • I personally don't care if it is rumor.  I appreciate that Jim keeps us as in the loop as much as possible.  The news media is always partially rumor, I don't think you even need to say it anymore.  Your comments are not interesting or enlightening, and are certainly not fair to the work that Jim puts in.  Thanks for your work Jim!   Cool pictures in this article too.
  • Oh, and "Mr Heat Miser" is definately Syndrome...
  • Great insider insight as usual.  Its interesting to see that PIXAR is allowing WDFA freedom to develop their own story, rather than coming in and PIXARizing the product.  
    This is real world film production that sounds like a win-win situation for a rather tricky merging of product lines.
  • Well, how could Jim ever be wrong when the comments are always so right?
  • Does anyone know what's become of the songs Rob Thomas and Rufus Wainwright wrote for the Meet the Robinsons?  Are they still in the film?

    Also, any word on how Disney feels with Robinsons going up against TMNT (the new Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie)?
  • You know what they could do is rework the second act of this movie to have the Bowler Hat guy yodel a song and round up all of their pets to sell them off to a fast food company...

    ...wait....no......that's been done already.....
  • Wow, Jim writes a positive article and people still find something to b*tch about.


    Anywho, I am very happy Bowler Hat Guy is going to stay in the movie (does he have a name yet?). Besides the musical & prince/princess aspects, every Disney film since Tarzan (with the small exception of Home on the Range) lacked a solid villain. And I do find it quite ironic that the Pixar guys are trying to better the villain when only three of their movies had solid villains imo (Randall, Syndrome & Hopper). Sid was such a small character, TS2 had two weak villains (Al & Pete) and both Nemo & Cars barely had anything close to a villain.
  • Okay, so he's still in.  Darn.
    Still, even if it was too late to change horses in mid-flood, at least it's a good sign (yes, I'm being positive, askmike) that they're focusing on WHY David Stainton's movies went wrong.  Which has to do with that "focus on story" thing Lasseter was talking about when he came on board.
    Even if nothing resembling the BHG--or a plot--was ever in the Wm. Joyce children's book, at least they're realizing that we go to a Disney/Pixar for characters we actually have some reason to care about, not "hip" coffee jokes that we'll laugh at if they're pitched hyperactively enough.

    Now, all they need left to do is get rid of that craze for letting the animators keep voicing the main "funny" characters--
    Not that I have anything against Chris Sanders' Stitch or Brad Bird's Edna, but it's left over from the days when nobody at the studio could tell a director "no" on his weird little pet project, which's how all the trouble started in the first place.

    Oh, and "Tom Brokaw" wrote:
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    Also, any word on how Disney feels with Robinsons going up against TMNT (the new Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie)?
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    Two words, actually:  "Weinsteins".  "Doogal".  :)
  • Quote from Derek J: "Now, all they need left to do is get rid of that craze for letting the animators keep voicing the main "funny" characters--
    Not that I have anything against Chris Sanders' Stitch or Brad Bird's Edna, but it's left over from the days when nobody at the studio could tell a director "no" on his weird little pet project, which's how all the trouble started in the first place."
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    I have nothing against the directors contributing a voice to any characters in their movies.  They are usually the ones the bring about the best performance in the flick to begin with.  It's just the idea of having a non name person, (director or otherwise) doing a voice of a character that will be talked about.  The fact that a celebrity is doing a voice will not overshadow this character, thus, it will give this character a certain purity because the audience will be asking "Who did the voice of the Bowler Hat Guy? He was awesome!"  It's very much like the late, great Joe Ranft doing the voice of Heimlich and Wheezy in Bug's LIfe and Toyu Story respectively.  Those were the two characters that truly stuck in my mind after seeing those two movies...

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    Personally, I will be seeing three movies the weekend that Robinsons opens.  Obviously, "Meet the Robinsons", "TMNT" would have to be the next one, and then the Tarantino/Rodriguez double feature "Grindhouse" which I believe opens that same weekend which is promising to be full of geeky fun. April 2007 can't come soon enough...  
  • Somehow, I don't get the whole "characters too eccentric" angle. The characters in "Nightmare before Christmas" weren't normal, although I guess it could be said that "Nightmare's" story dictated their being quirky. But what about that grand old Capra movie, "You Can't Take It With You."  Every time I see that movie with all the eccentric people living in  Grandpa's house (dancing, singing, wrestling, playing harmonicas, playing xylophones, building fireworks in the basement) -- you gotta have a heart of iron to not come away thinking, "That's one nutty, but FUN, place."
  • "The news media is always partially rumor, I don't think you even need to say it anymore.  Your comments are not interesting or enlightening, and are certainly not fair to the work that Jim puts in."

    Argue semantics all you like.  News is based on fact.  Rumor is based on hearsay.  I don't care what you think of my comments.  And how about we see Jim put some work into finishing those long promised audio CDs?
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