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Depp Perception : Why For did Johnny really want to work for Walt Disney Studios ?

Jim Hill finally wraps up that story that he started last Friday. Where Mouse House execs struggle to get a handle on the movie version of “Pirates of the Caribbean.” As in: Who they should cast as Capt. Jack Sparrow, whether this project should be a theatrical release or just a video premiere, etc.



Kelly T. wrote me yesterday to say:

You didn’t forget about that Matt McConaughey story that you started last week, did you? At this point, JHM readers have been waiting for almost a week for you to finally finish that story. Please don’t leave us hanging !

Dear Kelly —

Sorry about that. Why don’t I try and pick up where I left off last Friday ?

Now you have to remember that — for a while there, anyway — that Walt Disney Studios couldn’t quite decide if “Pirates of the Caribbean” should be a movie that would be released to theaters or one of those relatively-rare live-action video premieres that Buena Vista Home Entertainment sometimes produces. You know ? Like “George Of The Jungle 2” or “Inspector Gadget 2.” 

And if this movie was going to be a theatrical release … Well, that meant that Disney would then need a name performer to help open this sure-to-be-expensive-to-produce motion picture. And given that (at that time, anyway) Disney execs were somewhat impressed with the work that Matthew McConaughey had just done on Touchstone Pictures’ still-then-unreleased Summer 2002 release, “Reign of Fire” … It was thought that McConaughey might be a good fit for the role of Jack Sparrow.

Matthew McConaughey in Touchstone Pictures “Reign of Fire”
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Now keep in mind — at this point in the project’s development, anyway — that “Pirates of the Caribbean” had a much more conventional screenplay. By that I mean : This version of the script featured no cursed treasure and no undead pirates.

Instead, this version of the “Pirates of the Caribbean” screenplay started off with Will Turner working as a prison guard at the jail where Jack Sparrow is being held. And when the governor’s daughter is kidnapped by the notorious Captain Blackheart and then held for ransom … Well, Will breaks Jack out of prison. You see, Sparrow used to be a member of Blackheart’s crew. And Turner is hoping that this newly freed prisoner will now lead him to Blackheart’s secret hideout. So that Will will be able to rescue Elizabeth Swann.

So now these two, the ultimate odd couple — the straight-laced prison guard & the burned-out buccaneer — head out to rescue the governor’s daughter. With the authorities (I.E. Governor Swann as well as the by-the-book Head Jailer) hot on their heels and fearsome pirates directly in front of them. And hilarity (and much adventure) ensues.

You see what I’m saying here ? This version of the story (Which — surprise, surprise — was cooked up by a trio of Disney creative executives: Brigham Taylor, Michael Haynes and Josh Harmon) was a bit on the bland & predictable side. And Jack Sparrow was basically envisioned as 2001’s answer to Captain Vallo (I.E. The character that The Crimson Pirate.” Which was the last successful pirate picture to be produced in Hollywood. Which — FYI — was originally released to theaters back in 1952).

Anyway … Given McConaughey’s passing resemblance to a young Burt Lancaster (More importantly, given that “Reign of Fire” director Rob Bowman had some very nice things to say about Matthew. That the actor had had given his all during that film’s action sequences, that McConaughey hadn’t ever complained while having to wait around on set while that movie’s numerous pyro effects were being set up, etc.), it was felt that this actor might then be a smart addition to Disney’s “Pirates” project.

Early Captain Jack Sparrow concept drawing 
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But then again … Let’s remember that — on the heels of “The Country Bears” not turning out nearly as well as Disney executives had hoped it would — studio officials were still debating whether “Pirates of the Caribbean” should be a video premiere. And if that were to happen … Well, obviously that version of “Pirates” wouldn’t be able to afford someone like Matthew McConaughey. So that meant Disney had to then find some much more affordable alternatives.

As for the proposed video premiere version “Pirates of the Caribbean,” I’ll say this much : Mouse House officials certainly had some interesting casting ideas for Jack Sparrow. They ranged from hiring Christopher Walken (Who — I think — would have have brought a real edge, added some genuine menace to this character) to Cary Elwes (Who — I’m imagining — would have been just as charming as he’d been while playing the Dread Pirate Roberts in “The Princess Bride“).

But then Dick Cook managed to get Jerry Bruckheimer interested in producing a motion picture version of Disney’s “Pirates of the Caribbean” attraction. And once that happened … All bets were off. Bruckheimer wanted someone really extraordinary to play Capt. Jack Sparrow. Someone that you’d never ever expect to see in a movie that was based on a theme park ride.

Which brings us to Johnny Depp. Who actually wound up being cast in this film not because Depp was interested in appearing in any live-action projects for Disney. But — rather — because Johnny was hoping that he might be able to land a job voicing a character in one of the studio’s upcoming animated features.

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Strange but true, folks. You see, Depp and his longtime love, French actress-singer Vanessa Paradis have two small children, Lily-Rose and Jack. And when you have kids these days … Well, you know the drill, right ? You spend hundreds of hours on the couch with your off-spring, watching the same damned Disney movies over & over & over …

Which might sound like torture for some. But not Johnny … You see, given how busy he’d been with his own career for the past 20 years, Depp was really unaware of what Disney Feature Animation had been up to during that same period. Which was why it was something of a surprise for Johnny to sit down with Lily-Rose & Jack and then discover how genuinely entertaining “The Little Mermaid (2-Disc Platinum Edition),” “Beauty and the Beast,” “Aladdin” and “The Lion King” were.

And given the obvious kick that his kids were getting out of watching these WDFA productions (More importantly, given how few of Depp’s own films are really suitable for small children to watch) … Well, that’s why Johnny met with Dick Cook back in 2001. He wasn’t there at that studio as Johnny Depp, actor. But — rather — as Johnny Depp, father. Johnny was just looking to do a voice for one of Disney’s upcoming cartoons. So that he could then sit on the couch with Lily-Rose & Jack and be able to watch that movie with his own family.

 Dick Cook, Chairman of Walt Disney Studios
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But Dick Cook … He wasn’t going to squander an opportunity like this by having someone of Depp’s caliber do voice work for “Meet the Robinsons.” As he listened to the names of all of the Disney films that Johnny & his kids had watched, Dick quickly realized that he was dealing with an actor who now had some real affection for the Mouse House and the types of movies that this studio produced.

Which is why Cook then decided to take a chance. Float a trial balloon, if you will. “You know,” Dick said. “We’re developing a movie that’s based on the Pirates of the Caribbean ride.”

Hearing this, Depp then got all excited. “A real pirate movie ?,” the actor asked. “With swords ?”

Cook replied. “Yeah. With swords.”

To which Johnny then responded : “I’m in.”

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Now keep in mind that — at this point — Johnny hadn’t even seen a script for this film. Nor did he know what sort of character that Dick was envisioning him playing in this picture. None of that mattered. If Walt Disney Studios really was making a movie based on the “Pirates of the Caribbean” attraction, then Depp wanted in. Period.

Of course, when Johnny learned that the production version of the “Pirates” screenplay was being rewritten by Ted Elliot & Terry Rossio (I.E. The two guys who wrote “Aladdin”) … Well, that was just the icing on the cake.

I mean, here was Depp, wanting to work on a Disney animated feature. But — instead — he lands a gig on a live-action project for that same studio that’s now sure to have some cartoonish qualities. And it’s a pirates picture, for God’s sake. What’s not to love about a job like that ?

After all, as Depp just said in a recent interview : “What little boy doesn’t love to play pirates ? “

As for how the motion picture version of Disney’s “Pirates of the Caribbean” ride would eventually turn out … That part of the story, I’m sure you already know. But isn’t it weird to hear how movies like this actually come together ? How performers really get cast in high profile projects like this ? How so much of what happens just seems to come down to coincidence ? The luck of the draw ?

Anywho … That’s it for this week at JHM. You folks have a great Memorial Day weekend, okay ?

Jim Hill is an entertainment writer who has specialized in covering The Walt Disney Company for nearly 40 years now. Over that time, he has interviewed hundreds of animators, actors, and Imagineers -- many of whom have shared behind-the-scenes stories with Mr. Hill about how the Mouse House really works. In addition to the 4000+ articles Jim has written for the Web, he also co-hosts a trio of popular podcasts: “Disney Dish with Len Testa,” “Fine Tooning with Drew Taylor” and “Marvel US Disney with Aaron Adams.” Mr. Hill makes his home in Southern New Hampshire with his lovely wife Nancy and two obnoxious cats, Ginger & Betty.

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Jens Dahlmann of LongHorn Steakhouse has lots of great tips when it comes to grilling



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Sure, for some folks, the Fourth of July is all about fireworks. But for the 75% of all Americans who own a grill or a smoker, the Fourth is our Nation’s No. 1 holiday when it comes to grilling. Which is why 3 out of 4 of those folks will spend some time outside today working over a fire.

But here’s the thing: Though 14 million Americans can cook a steak with confidence because they actually grill something every week, the rest of us – because we use our grill or smoker so infrequently … Well, let’s just say that we have no chops when it comes to dealing with chops (pork, veal or otherwise).

So what’s a backyard chef supposed to in a situation like this when there’s so much at steak … er … stake? Turn to someone who really knows their way around a grill for advice. People like Jens Dahlmann, the Vice President and Corporate Executive Chef for Darden Restaurant’s LongHorn Steakhouse brand.

Given that Jens’ father & grandfather were chefs, this is a guy who literally grew up in a kitchen. In his teens & twenties, Dahlmann worked in hotels & restaurants all over Switzerland & Germany. Once he was classically trained in the culinary arts, Jens then  jumped ship. Well, started working on cruise ships, I mean.

Anyway … While working on Cunard’s Sea Goddess, Dahlmann met Sirio Maccioni, the founder of Le Cirque 2000. Sirio was so impressed with Jens’ skills in the kitchen that he offered him the opportunity to become sous-chef at this New York landmark. After four years of working in Manhattan, Dahlmann then headed south to become executive chef at Palm Beach’s prestigious Café L’Europe.

Jens Dahlmann back during his Disney World days

And once Jens began wowing foodies in Florida, it wasn’t all that long ’til the Mouse came a-calling. Mickey wanted Dahlmann to shake things up in the kitchen over at WDW’s Flying Fish Café. And he did such a good job with that Disney’s Boardwalk eatery the next thing Jens knew, he was then being asked to work his magic with the menu at the Contemporary Resort’s California Grill.

From there, Dahlmann had a relatively meteoric rise at the Mouse House. Once he became Epcot’s Food & Beverage general manager, it was only a matter of time before he wound up as the executive chef in charge of this theme park’s annual International Food & Wine Festival. Which – under Jens’ guidance – experienced some truly explosive growth.

“When I took on Food & Wine, that festival was only 35 days long and had gross revenues of just $5.5 million. When I left Disney in 2016, Food & Wine was now over 50 days long and that festival had gross revenues of $22 million,” Dahlmann admitted during a recent sit-down. “I honestly loved those 13 years I spent at Disney. When I was working there, I learned so much because I was really cooking for America.”

And it was exactly that sort of experience & expertise that Darden wanted to tap into when they lured Jens away from Mickey last year to become LongHorn Steakhouse’s new Vice President and Corporate Executive Chef. But today … Well, Dahlmann is offering tips to those of us who are thinking about cooking steak tips for the Fourth.

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“When you’re planning on grilling this holiday, if you’re looking for a successful result, the obvious place to start is with the quality of the meat you plan on cooking for your friends & family. If you want the best results here, don’t be cheap when you go shopping. Spend the money necessary for a fresh filet or a New York strip. Better yet a Ribeye, a nice thick one with good marbling. Because when you look at the marbling on a steak, that’s where all the flavor happens,” Jens explained. “That said, you always have to remember that — the higher you go with the quality of your meat — the less time you’re going to want that piece of meat to spend on the grill.”

And speaking of cooking … Before you even get started here, Jens suggests that you first take the time to check over all of your grilling equipment. Making sure that the grill itself is first scraped clean & then properly oiled before you then turn up the heat.

“If you’re working with a dirty grill, when you go to turn your meat, it may wind up sticking to the grill. Or maybe those spices that you’ve just so carefully coated your steak with will wind up sticking to the grill, rather than your meat,” Dahlmann continued. “Which is why it’s always worth it to spend a few minutes prior to firing up your grill properly cleaning & oiling it.”

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And speaking of heat … Again, before you officially get started grilling here, Jens says that it’s crucial to check your temperature gauges. Make sure that your char grill is set at 550 (so that it can then properly handle the thicker cuts of meat) and your flattop is set at 425 (so it can properly sear thinner pieces of meat).

Okay. Once you’ve bought the right cuts of quality meat, properly cleaned & oiled your grill, and then made sure that everything’s set at the right temperature (“If you can only stand to hold your hand directly over the grill for two or three seconds, that’s the right amount of heat,” Dahlmann said), it’s now time to season your steaks.

“Don’t be afraid to be bold here. You can’t be shy when it comes to seasoning your meat. You want to give it a nice coating. Largely because — if you’re using a char grill — a lot of that seasoning is just going to fall off anyway,” Jens stated. “It’s up to you to decide what sort of seasoning you want to use here. Even just some salt & pepper will enhance a steak’s flavor.”

Then – according to Dahlmann – comes the really tough part. Which is placing your meat on the grill and then fighting the urge to flip it too early or too often.

“The biggest mistake that a lot of amateur cooks make is that they flip the steak too many times. The real key to a well-cooked piece of meat is just let it be, “Jens insisted. “Of course, if you’re serving different cuts of meat at your Fourth of July feast, you always want to put your biggest thickest steak on the grill first. If you’re also cooking a New York Strip, you want to put that one on a few minutes later. But after that, just let the grill do its job and flip your meat a total of three or four times, once every three minutes or so.”

Of course, the last thing you want to do is overcook a quality piece of meat. Which is why Dahlmann suggests that – when it comes to grilling steaks – if you’re going to err, err on the side of undercooking.

“You can always put a piece of meat back on the grill if it’s slightly undercooked. When you over-cook something, all you can do then is start over with a brand-new piece of meat,” Jens said. “Just be sure that you’re using the correct cut of meat for the cooking result you’re aiming for. If someone wants a rare or medium rare steak, you should go with a thicker cut of steak. If one of your guests wants their steak cooked medium or well, it’s best to start with a thinner cut of meat.”

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As you can see, the folks at Longhorn take grilling steaks seriously. How seriously? Just last week at Darden Corporate Headquarters in Orlando, seven of these brand’s top grill masters (who – after weeks of regional competitions – had been culled from the 491 restaurants that make up this chain) competed for a $10,000 prize in the Company’s second annual Steak Master Series. And Dahlmann was one of the people who stood in Darden’s test kitchens, watching like a hawk as each of the contestants struggled to prepare six different dishes in just 20 minutes according to Longhorn Steakhouse’s exacting standards.

“I love that Darden does this. Recognizing the best of the best who work this restaurant,” Jens concluded. “We have a lot of people here who are incredibly knowledgeable & passionate when it comes to grilling.”

Speaking of which … If today’s story doesn’t include the exact piece of info that you need to properly grill that T-bone, just whip out your iPhone & text GRILL to 55702. Or – better yet – visit prior to firing up your grill or smoker later today. 

This article was originally published by the Huffington Post on Tuesday, July 4, 2017

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Brattleboro’s Strolling of the Heifers is a sincere if somewhat surreal way to spend a summer’s day in Vermont



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Some people travel halfway ‘around the planet so that they can then experience the excitement of the Running of the Bulls in Pamplona. If you’re more of a Slow Living enthusiast (as I am), then perhaps you should amble to Brattleboro, VT. Where – over the first weekend in June – you can then join a herd of cow enthusiasts at the annual Strolling of the Heifers.

Now in its 16th year, this three-day long event typically gets underway on Friday night in June with a combination block party / gallery walk. But then – come Saturday morning – Main Street in Brattleboro is lined with thousands of bovine fans.

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They’ve staked out primo viewing spots and set up camp chairs hours ahead of time. Just so these folks can then have a front row seat as this year’s crop of calves (which all come from local farms & 4-H clubs) are paraded through the streets.

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Viewed from curbside, Strolling of the Heifers is kind of this weird melding of a sincere small town celebration and Pasadena’s Doo Dah Parade. Meaning that – for every entry that actually acknowledged this year’s theme (i.e. “Dance to the Moosic”) — …

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… there was something completely random, like this parade’s synchronized shopping cart unit.

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And for every piece of authentic Americana (EX: That collection of antique John Deere tractors that came chugging through the city) …

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… there was something silly. Like – say – a woman dressed as a Holstein pushing a baby stroller through the streets. And riding in that stroller was a pig dressed in a tutu.

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And given that this event was being staged in the Green Mountain State & all … Well, does it really surprise you to learn that — among the groups that marched in this year’s Strolling of the Heifers – was a group of eco-friendly folks who, with their  chants of “We’re Number One !,” tried to persuade people along the parade route not to flush the toilet after they pee. Because – as it turns out – urine can be turned into fertilizer.

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And speaking of fertilizer … At the tail end of the parade, there was a group of dedicated volunteers who were dealing with what came out of the tail end of all those cows.

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This year’s Strolling of the Heifers concluded at the Brattleboro town common. Where event attendees could then get a closer look at some of the featured units in this year’s parade…

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… or perhaps even pet a few of the participants.

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But as for the 90+ calves who took part in the 2017 edition of Strolling of the Heifers, once they reached the town common, it was now time for a nosh or a nap.

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Elsewhere on the common, keeping with this year’s “Dance to the Moosic” theme, various musical groups performed in & around the gazebo throughout the afternoon.

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While just across the way – keeping with Brattleboro’s tradition of showcasing the various artisans who live & work in the local community – some pretty funky pieces were on display at the Slow Living Exposition.

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All in all, attending Strolling of the Heifers is a somewhat surreal but still very pleasant way to spend a summer’s day in Vermont. And that’s no bull.

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Well, that could be a bull. To be honest, what with the wig & all, it’s kind of hard to tell. 

This article was originally published by the Huffington Post on Sunday, June 4, 2017

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Looking to make an authentic Irish meal for Saint Patrick’s Day? If so, then chef Kevin Dundon says not to cook corned beef & cabbage



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Let’s at least start on a positive note: Celebrated chef, author & TV personality Kevin Dundon – the man that Tourism Ireland has repeatedly chosen as the Face of Irish Food – loves a lot of what happens in the United States on March 17th.

“I mean, look at what they do in Chicago on Saint Patrick’s Day. They toss all of this vegetable-based dye into the Chicago River and then paint it green for a day. That’s terrific,” Kevin said.

But then when it comes to what many Americans eat & drink on St. Paddy’s Day (i.e., a big plate of corned beef and cabbage. Which is then washed down with a mug of green beer) … Well, that’s where Dundon has to draw the line.

Irish celebrity chef Kevin Dundon displays a traditional Irish loin of bacon with Colcannon potatoes and a Dunbrody Kiss chocolate dessert. Photo by Tom Burton. Copyright Disney Enterprises, Inc. All rights reserved

“Green beer? No real Irishman would be caught dead drinking that stuff,” Kevin insists. “And as for eating corned beef & cabbage … That’s not actually authentic Irish fare either. Bacon and cabbage? Sure. But corned beef & cabbage was something that the Irish only began eating after they’d come to the States to escape the Famine. And even then these Irish-Americans only began serving corned beef & cabbage to their friends & family because they had to make do with the ingredients that were available to them at that time.”

And thus begins the strange tale of how corned beef & cabbage came to be associated with the North American celebration of Saint Patrick’s Day celebration. Because – according to Dundon – beef just wasn’t all that big a part of the Irish diet back in the 19th century.

To explain: Back in the Old Country, cattle – while they were obviously highly prized for the milk & cheese that they produced – were also beasts of burden. Meaning that they were often used for ploughing the fields or for hauling heavy loads. Which is why – back then — these animals were rarely slaughtered when they were still young & healthy. If anything, land owners liked to put a herd of cattle on display out in one of their pastures because that was then a sign to their neighbors that this farm was prosperous.

“Whereas pork … Well, everybody raised pigs back then. Which is why pork was a staple of the Irish diet rather than beef,” Dundon continued.

So if that’s what people actually ate back in the Old Country, how then did corned beef & cabbage come to be so strongly associated with Saint Patrick’s Day in the States.? That largely had to do with where the Irish wound up living after they arrived in the New World.

“When the Irish first arrived in America following the Great Famine, a lot of them wound up living in the inner city right alongside the Germans & the Jews, who were also recent immigrants to the States. And while that farm-fresh pork that the Irish loved wasn’t readily available, there was brisket. Which the Irish could then cure by first covering this piece of meat with corn kernel-sized pieces of rock salt – that’s how it came to be called corned beef. Because of the sizes of the pieces of rock salt that were used in the curing process – and then placing all that in a pot of water with other spices to soak for a few days.”

And as for the cabbage portion of corned beef & cabbage … Well, according to Kevin, in addition to buying their meat from the kosher delis in their neighborhood, the Irish would also frequent the stores that the German community shopped in. Where – thanks to their love of sauerkraut (i.e., pickled cabbage) – there was always a ready supply of cabbage to be had.

“So when you get right down to it, it was the American melting pot that led to corned beef & cabbage being found in the Irish-American cooking pot,” Dundon continued. “Since they couldn’t find or didn’t have easy access to the exact same ingredients that they had back in Ireland, Irish-Americans made do with what they could find in the immediate vicinity. And what they made was admittedly tasty. But it’s not actually authentic Irish fare.”

Mind you, what Kevin serves at Raglan Road Irish Pub and Restaurant at Disney Springs (which – FYI – Orlando Magazine voted as the area’s best restaurant back in 2014) is nothing if not authentic. Dundon and his team at this acclaimed gastropub pride themselves on making traditional Irish fare and then contemporized it.

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“Take – for example – what we serve here instead of corned beef & cabbage. Again, because it was pork – rather than beef – that was the true staple of the Irish diet back then, what we offer instead is a loin of bacon that has been glazed with Irish Mist. That then comes with colcannon potatoes. Which is this traditional Irish dish that’s made up of mashed potato that have had some cabbage & bacon mixed through it,” Kevin enthused. “This heavenly ham – that’s what we actually call this traditional Irish dish at Raglan Road, Kevin’s Heavenly Ham – also includes some savory cabbage with a parsley cream sauce as well as a raisin cider jus. It’s simple food. But because of the basic ingredients – and that’s the real secret of Irish cuisine. That our ingredients are so strong – the flavors just pop off the plate.”

Which brings us to the real challenge that Dundon and the Raglan Road team face every day. Making sure that they actually have all of the ingredients necessary to make this traditional-yet-contemporized Irish fare to those folks who frequent this Walt Disney World favorite.

“Take – for example – the fish we serve here. We only used cold water fish. Salmon, mussels and haddock that have been hauled out of the Atlantic, the ocean that America and Ireland share,” Kevin stated. “Not that there’s anything wrong with warm water fish. It’s just that … Well, it doesn’t have the same structure. It’s a softer fish, which doesn’t really fit the parameters of Irish cuisine. And if you’re going to serve authentic food, you have to be this dedicated when it comes to sourcing your ingredients.

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And if you’re thinking of perhaps trying to serve an authentic Irish meal this year, rather than once again serving corned beef & cabbage at your Saint Patrick’s Day Feast … Well, back in September of last year, Mitchell Beazley published “The Raglan Road Cookbook: Inside America’s Favorite Irish Pub.” This 296-page hardcover not only includes the recipe for Kevin’s Heavenly Ham but also it tells the tale of how this now-world-renown restaurant wound up being built in Orlando.

On the other hand, if you happen to have to the luck of the Irish and are actually down at The Walt Disney World Resort right now, it’s worth noting that Raglan Road is right in the middle of its Mighty St. Patrick’s Day Festival. This four day-long event – which includes Irish bands and professional dancers – stretches through Sunday night. And in addition to all that authentic Irish fare that Dundon and his team are cooking up, you also sample the fine selection of beers & cocktails that this establishment’s four distinct antique bars (each of which are more than 130 years old and were imported directly from Ireland) will be serving. Just – As ucht Dé (That’s “For God’s Sake” in Gaelic) – don’t make the mistake of asking the bartender there for a mug of green beer.

“Why would anyone willingly drink something like that?,” Dundon laughed. “I mean, just imagine what their washroom will look like the morning after.”

This article was originally published by the Huffington Post on Friday, March 17, 2017

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