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“It’s a Small World” … The movie?!
Strange as it may seem, Walt Disney Productions — way back in the mid-1970s — actually did toy with the idea of turning this much beloved theme park attraction into a major motion picture. Jim Hill now gives you the skinny on this most-unlikely-sounding of projects.

Given the surprising success of Disney’s “Pirates of the Caribbean” movie (which to date has grossed over $295 million during its initial domestic run), you have to wonder why the Mouse didn’t think about doing something like this before? I.E. Turning the company’s most popular theme park attractions into fodder for feature films.
Well, as it turns out, the Walt Disney Company HAD tried to do something like this before. And — no — I’m not talking about that lame “Tower of Terror” movie that ABC ran on “The Wonderful World of Disney” back in October 1997 or that less-said-about-it-the-better “Country Bears” flick that Walt Disney Pictures released to theaters last year. But rather, a ride-based feature film that one far-sighted Disney Productions executive actually tried to get the studio to produce back in the mid 1970s.
“And what — pray tell — was the proposed title of this ride-based movie the Mouse missed out on making?” you ask. Would you believe … “It’s a Small World?”
I sh*t you not, folks. “Small World – The Movie.”
Now, I know. That sounds like a really unlikely premise for a feature film. But … you know what, gang? I’ve actually read the screenplay for “It’s a Small World.” And it’s not half bad. In the hands of the right director, this script could have been turned into a charming little feature.
Now who was it exactly who came up with the idea of turning Disney’s “It’s a Small World” attraction into a major motion picture? Well, some of you may already be familiar with Larry Pontius. He’s the writer who dreamed up “Waking Walt,” that extremely entertaining fantasy novel that was bouncing around the Web for a while before the nice folks at Writers Club Press finally published Pontius’ book.
Well, back in the mid-1970s, Larry was the head of marketing at Walt Disney World. And Pontius was doing such a nice job with his campaigns for the WDW resort that the boys in in Burbank decided that they needed a guy like this back in the home office. Which is how Larry eventually found himself on the main Disney Studio lot with a brand new job title: Director of Creative Concepts.
“(This) was a new position that (then-Walt Disney Productions Chairman) Card Walker had invented (for me) when he decided to bring me back to Burbank,” said Pontius in a recent interview with JimHillMedia.com. “My (assignment) was to put some zing into the creative end of the company’s marketing projects … and anything else that I could think of. That’s why (Card) insisted that my (job) title not be restricted to (just) marketing.”
So Larry hit the ground running. And he did help turn around Disneyland’s flagging attendance levels by cooking up clever ad campaigns like “It Could Only Happen at Disneyland” and “What’s Gotten into the Matterhorn?”
But when it came to Disney Studios itself, Pontius knew that this was where the real challenge lay. Now some of you may recall the dismal quality of the films that the Mouse Factory was churning out during this pitiful period. But — for those of you who don’t — let me lay a few titles on you: “Gus,” “No Deposit, No Return,” “The Shaggy DA” et al.
You get the idea? The studio side of Walt Disney Productions seemed to have run out of ideas. Creatively, this part of the company was running on empty. Which why Larry decide that it was high time that somebody did something to turn this awful situation around.
“I was casting around for a new idea,” Pontius continued. “Something unique. That only Disney could do … I knew that Walt had used the (studio’s) film library as a source for (Disney’s) theme park attractions right from the beginning. So why not do the reverse?”
So Larry began looking over all of the attractions that the Imagineers had dreamed up for Disneyland and Walt Disney World. And — eventually — he settled on “It’s a Small World.”
Why “It’s a Small World?” Pontius explained that “The reason that I picked ‘It’s a Small World’ is simple. More people have seen it, either at Disneyland or in Florida, than any other attraction ever built. (Plus it was) something that we could market.”
So — beginning in September 1977 — Larry began working up a treatment for a film that was (loosely) inspired by the “Small World” attraction. And its story … well, to quote from its synopsis:
Imagine (that) it’s the day afternoon tomorrow, with the constantly escalating tensions of the world raised to fever pitch. (When) even the smallest spark can start a fire. And then it does.
The spark’s name is Aleksei, the nine-year-old son of the Russian Consul General in Paris. Full of curiosity and the stories that he’s heard about the “evil” Chinese, the boy ventures across the boulevard and over the fence to the Consulate of Communist China — where he is caught by Chinese security guards who take him into custody. When the Russians learn of Aleksai’s capture and detention, they demand his immediate release and, naturally, are refused. The rankled tempers become a shouting match of spying and kidnapping accusations.
And — when the story of Aleksai hits the media — millions of people hear (about) it. (And resulting media firestorm brings Red China and the U.S.S.R. to the very brink of war.)
Suddenly the “Aleksai Affair” is an urgent matter for the United Nations. However, it quickly becomes clear that — while there may be calmer heads here — (there is fuel being thrown) on the fire. There are people (in the world) who would like to see a conflagration for their own profit. Particularly Alexander Bashillian, the despotic ruler of a small nation in a backwater of the world that only has one major industry — munitions.
Into this desperate situation walks a most unlikely group of heroes: the students of the United Nations school, a special educational facility for the children of U.N. Ambassadors. They’re a small group of kids of different races, from different countries and ethnic backgrounds that — (when they’re) forced together, have found that they can get along just fine.
These kids are young enough to think that the world should do as they do. But what can the children of the U.N. Ambassadors do keep the world from blowing apart?
Disappear.
When they do, in a faked mass kidnapping plot hatched by the son of the U.N. Ambassador from Iceland and the daughter of the U.S. Ambassador, the “Aleksai Affair” is instantly old news. Forgetton by everyone … except for Bashillian, the munitions despot.
Alexander tries to stir the fires (of war) by casting blame for the crime on one — or both — of the nations entangled in the original affair. When that fails, Bashillian sends his agents to join the thousands already on the hunt. But with a dark goal in mind: to find & kill the children of the U.N. Ambassadors. With the hope of making a bad situation worse.
But the United Nations’ children have other plans. Not just to stop Bashillian and his evil agents. But to stop the world as well. To bring our planet back from the brink of disaster.
This is just a bare-bones version of the plotline of Pontius’ proposed picture. His actual screenplay for “It’s a Small World” is loaded with charm. Lots of great little moments that really make this somewhat simplistic sounding story truly come alive.
Take — for example — the role of Alexander Bashillian, the double-dealing munitions dealer who is the villain of the piece. The way Larry wrote this character, First Citizen Bashillian could have become one of Disney’s great comic villians. It’s a part that Peter Ustinov would have loved to have sunk his teeth into.
So — with a fun script that was based on a Disney theme park attraction — why didn’t “It’s a Small World” go into production? Well, it wasn’t for lack of trying on Pontius’ part.
You see, Larry hand-delivered copies of his “Small World” script to many of the movers and shakers at Walt Disney Productions. “Irving Ludwig, then President of Buena Vista Distribution … got a copy,” he explained. “I know that Card Walker got a copy of the treatment. He copied me on a memo (that Card had) sent to Ron Miller about (my proposed “Small World” movie. Walker’s note on that memo read) ‘Interesting idea.’ Something like that.”
And Pontius saw to it that Ron Miller — Walt Disney’s son-in-law, the man who was then in charge of the studio side of things at Walt Disney Productions — was also given a copy of his “Small World” script. With the hope that it might help improve the project’s chances, he even had Bob Moore — the artist who created the posters for many of Disney Studios’ feature releases during the 1970s — create a prototype poster for the picture.
(That explains the photograph above. That was a picture of the proposed “It’s a Small World” movie poster. Which Larry Pontius still has in his Disneyana collection. Anyway …)
But Pontius’ proposed “Small World” project never went any further along Disney’s development track. Why for? Because — at that time — the studio side of Walt Disney Productions was in turmoil. Audiences just weren’t turning out to see the Disney films they way they used to. Which is why movies like “Herbie Goes to Monte Carlo” and “The Cat from Outer Space” were performing so miserably at the box office.
So Walt Disney Studios — rather than being an industry leader (which is what Walt Disney Productions really was when Walt was in charge) — became a follower of trends. 20th Century Fox’s Summer 1977 release “Star Wars” made a ton of money? Okay. Then Disney would quickly crank out a sci-fi epic of its own, 1979’s “The Black Hole.” Universal’s gross-out comedy “National Lampoon’s Animal House” made a fortune in the Fall of 1978? Then fine. The Mouse would swiftly slap together its own gross-out college comedy, “Midnight Madness.”
You see what I’m saying here? Back in the mid-to-late 1970s, the studio side of Walt Disney Productions really lost its way. And — in trying to quickly update the company’s image, to make it appears as if the Mouse was suddenly “hip” and “with it” — Disney deliberately began to try amd distance itself from its heritage. Which is why a sweet little comedy like “It’s a Small World” — something safe for family audiences that still had a bit of a social message — never really had a chance.
Mind you, his “Small World” setback didn’t throw Larry Pontius off his stride. He soldiered on at the Mouse Factory. In late 1977, he was appointed Vice President of Marketing for Disneyland and Walt Disney World. And in 1979, Larry took on the added responsibility of corporate communications. Which means that Pontius wrote speeches for Art Tatum and Card Walker, the then-heads of Walt Disney Productions, as well as writing the company’s annual report.
But he also kept trying to get the company back on the creative track. Which is why Pontius would periodically pepper Disney company executives, constantly urging these guys to take some risks. Put some really ambitious projects into production. Among the many ideas that Larry pitched to Mouse House officials in the late 1970s was “Fantasia II.”
Yep, a sequel to the studio’s 1940 animated classic. And Pontius was trying to put this film into active development a full 12 years before Roy Disney ever even toyed with the idea of Walt Disney Feature Animation producing a follow-up to this ground-breaking animated feature.
But the suits in Burbank nixed that idea as well. Which is (perhaps) why — in 1980 — Larry finally left the Walt Disney Company. He returned to Orlando, where he started up his very own advertising and video production house.
Mind you, that doesn’t mean that Pontius totally left the Mouse behind. I mean, he took all of those great stories that he’d heard from Disney Company officials about the way Walt Disney really behaved and used them to help create the title character for his book, “Waking Walt.”
And Larry never entirely forgot about his idea of a Disney movie that could be based on “It’s a Small World” either. Which is why — back in the Spring of 2001 — when the Walt Disney Company announced that it was putting a film that was based on “The Country Bear Jamboree” into production, Pontius threw a note at his old friend, *** Cook. Who — over the years — has risen through the ranks to become Chairman of Walt Disney Studios.
Seeing as it looked like the Walt Disney Company was finally getting into the films-based-on-theme-park attractions business, Larry reminded *** that the script for “It’s a Small World” was still probably sitting in Disney’s files. But Cook (sadly) never responded to Pontius’ e-mail.
Still, Larry hasn’t lost all hope. Even though Disney CEO Michael Eisner said — in an interview last week with the New York Times — that the upcoming sequel to “Pirates of the Caribbean” would be the very last ride-based film that Walt Disney Pictures will ever put in production … Pontius knew that — should the movie version of Disney’s “The Haunted Mansion” prove to be a big enough hit when this Eddie Murphy film finally hits multiplexes on November 26th — that Eisner may change his mind. And that Uncle Mike would then send his minions scouring through the vaults, looking for other ride-based film ideas. And that’s when (perhaps) Disney will finally realize that it has had “It’s a Small World” sitting in its files all along. All ready to go.
Me personally? I’m not entirely sure that Larry’s “It’s a Small World” script really has what it takes to become a full-blown feature film for Walt Disney Studios nowadays. Back in the 1970s, sure. But today … I’m not entirely sure that those oh-so-cynical Disney execs could actually get behind a picture that was this upbeat. That had such an uplifting message.
But — that said — I also think that (with a wee bit of a rewrite) that Pontius’ screenplay would make one hell of a project for the folks over at the Disney Channel. Given that 90% of the roles in this proposed film could be filled by actors under the age of 12, Larry’s “Small World” script would be a natural for that tween hungry cable channel. Which is why this might be a nice project for that arm of the Walt Disney Company to take under its wing.
So here’s hoping that some enterprising development executive over at the Disney Channel actually reads this story and then decides to give Larry a call. I mean, wouldn’t it be funny if — 25 years after the fact — that Pontius is finally proved correct? That he gets to show the world that there really is a fun film to be made out of Disney’s “It’s a Small World” attraction?
Here’s hoping that actually happens.
Your thoughts?
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Before He Was 626: The Surprisingly Dark Origins of Disney’s Stitch

Hopes are high for Disney’s live-action version of Lilo & Stitch, which opens in theaters next week (on May 23rd to be exact). And – if current box office projections hold – it will sell more than $120 million worth of tickets in North America.
Stitch Before the Live-Action: What Fans Need to Know
But here’s the thing – there wouldn’t have been a hand-drawn version of Stitch to reimagine as a live-action film if it weren’t for Academy Award-winner Chris Sanders. Who – some 40 years ago – had a very different idea in mind for this project. Not an animated film or a live-action movie, for that matter. But – rather – a children’s picture book.
Sanders revealed the true origins of Lilo & Stitch in his self-published book, From Pitch to Stitch: The Origins of Disney’s Most Unusual Classic.

From Picture Book to Pitch Meeting
Chris – after he graduated from CalArts back in 1984 (this was three years before he began working for Disney) – landed a job at Marvel Comics. Which – because Marvel Animation was producing the Muppet Babies TV show – led to an opportunity to design characters for that animated series.
About a year into this gig (we’re now talking 1985), Sanders – in his time away from work – began noodling on a side project. As Chris recalled in From Pitch to Stitch:
“Early in my animation career, I tried writing a picture book that centered around a weird little creature that lived a solitary life in the forest. He was a monster, unsure of where he had come from, or where he belonged. I generated a concept drawing, wrote some pages and started making a sculpted version of him. But I soon abandoned it as the idea seemed too large and vague to fit in thirty pages or so.”
We now jump ahead 12 years or so. Sanders has quickly moved up through the ranks at Walt Disney Animation Studios. So much so that – by 1997 – Chris is now the Head of Story on Disney’s Mulan.


A Monster in the Forest Becomes Stitch on Earth
With Mulan deep in production, Sanders was looking for his next project when an opportunity came his way.
“I had dinner with Tom Schumacher, who was president of Feature Animation at the time. He asked if there was anything I might be interested in directing. After a little reflection, I realized that there was something: That old idea from a decade prior.”
When Sanders told Schumacher about the monster who lived alone in the forest…
“Tom offered the crucial observation that – because the animal world is already alien to us – I should consider relocating the creature to the human world.”
With that in mind, Chris dusted off the story and went to work.
Over the next three months, Sanders created a pitch book for the proposed animated film. What he came up with was very different from the version of Lilo & Stitch that eventually hit theaters in 2002.
The Most Dangerous Creature in the Known Universe
The pitch – first shared with Walt Disney Feature Animation staffers on January 9, 1998 – was titled: Lilo & Stitch: A love story of a girl and what she thinks is a dog.
This early version of Stitch was… not cute. Not cuddly. He was mean, selfish, self-centered – a career criminal. When the story opens, Stitch is in a security pod at an intergalactic trial, found guilty of 12,000 counts of hooliganism and attempted planetary enslavement.
Instead of being created by Jumba, Stitch leads a gang of marauders. His second-in-command? Ramthar, a giant, red shark-like brute.
When Stitch refuses to reveal the gang’s location, he’s sentenced to life on a maximum-security asteroid. But en route, his gang attacks the prison convoy. In the chaos, Stitch escapes in a hijacked pod and crash-lands on Earth.


Earth in Danger, Jumba on the Hunt
Terrified of what Stitch could do to our technologically inferior planet, the Grand Council Woman sends bounty hunter Jumba – along with a rule-abiding Cultural Contamination Control agent named Pleakley – to retrieve (or eliminate) Stitch.
Their mission must be secret, follow Earth laws, and – most importantly – ensure no harm comes to any humans.
Naturally, Stitch ignores all that.
After his crash, Stitch claws out of the wreckage, sees the lights of a nearby town, and screams, “I will destroy you all!” That plan is immediately derailed when he’s run over by a convoy of sugar cane trucks.
Waking up in the local humane society, Stitch sees a news report confirming the Federation is already hot on his trail. He needs to blend in. Fast.
Enter Lilo
Lilo is a lonely little girl, mourning her parents, looking for a pet. Stitch plays the role of a “cute little doggie” because it’s a means to an end. At this point, Lilo is just someone to use while he builds a communications device.
Using parts from her toys and a stolen police radio, Stitch contacts his old gang. But Ramthar, now the leader, isn’t thrilled. Still, Stitch sends a signal.
Then he builds an army.
Stitch Goes Full Skynet
Stitch constructs a small robot, sends it to the junkyard to build bigger robots. Soon, he has an army. When Ramthar and crew arrive, Stitch’s robots surround them. Ramthar is furious, but Stitch regains command.
Next, Stitch sets his robotic horde on a nearby town. Everything goes smoothly until a robot targets the hula studio where Lilo is dancing. As it lifts her in its claw, Stitch has a change of heart. He saves her.
From here, the plot begins to resemble the Lilo & Stitch we know today. Sort of.
The Ending That Never Was
In Sanders’ original version, it’s not Captain Gantu who kidnaps Lilo, but Ramthar. And when the Grand Council Woman comes to collect Stitch, Lilo produces a receipt from the humane society.
“I paid a $4 processing fee to adopt him. If you take Stitch, you’re stealing.”
The Grand Council Woman crumples the receipt and says, “I didn’t see it.”
Nani chimes in: “Well, I saw it.”
Then Jumba. Then one of Stitch’s old crew. Then a hula girl. And finally, Pleakley pulls out his CCC badge and says:
“Well, I am Pleakley Grathor, Cultural Contamination Control Agent No. 444. And I saw it.”
Pleakley saves Stitch.


How Roy E. Disney Made Stitch Cuddly
Ultimately, this version of Lilo & Stitch was streamlined. Roy E. Disney believed Stitch shouldn’t be nasty. Just naughty. And not by choice – he was designed that way.
Which is how Stitch became Experiment 626. A misunderstood creation of Jumba the mad scientist, not a hardened criminal with a vendetta.
The rest, as they say, is history.

Ricardo Montalbán’s Lost Role
Here’s a detail that even hardcore Lilo & Stitch fans may not know: Ricardo Montalbán—best known as Mr. Roarke from Fantasy Island and Khan Noonien Singh from Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan—was originally cast as the voice of Ramthar, Stitch’s second-in-command in this early version of the film. He had already recorded a significant amount of dialogue before the story was reworked following Roy E. Disney’s guidance. When Stitch evolved from a ruthless galactic outlaw to a misunderstood genetic experiment, Montalbán’s character (and much of the original gang concept) was written out entirely.
Which is kind of wild when you think about it. Wrath of Khan is widely considered the gold standard of Star Trek films. So yes, for a time, Khan himself was supposed to be part of Disney’s weirdest sci-fi comedy.
Stitch’s Legacy (and Why It Still Resonates)
Looking back at Stitch’s original story, it’s wild to think how close we came to getting a very different kind of movie. One where our favorite blue alien was less “ohana means family” and more “I’ll destroy you all.” But that transformation—from outlaw to outcast to ohana—is exactly what makes Lilo & Stitch so special.
So as the live-action version prepares to hit theaters, keep in mind that behind all the cuddly merch and tiki mugs lies one of Disney’s strangest, boldest, and most hard-won reinventions. One that started with a forest monster and became a beloved franchise about found family.
June 26th is officially Stitch Day—so mark your calendar. It’s a good excuse to celebrate just how far this little blue alien has come.
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How “An American Tail” Led to Disney’s “Hocus Pocus”

Over the last week, I’ve been delving into Witches Run Amok, Shannon Carlin’s oral history of the making of Disney’s Hocus Pocus. This book reveals some fascinating behind-the-scenes stories about the 1993 film that initially bombed at the box office but has since become a cult favorite, even spawning a sequel in 2022 that went on to become the most-watched release in Disney+ history.
But what really caught my eye in this 284-page hardcover wasn’t just the tales of Hocus Pocus’s unlikely rise to fame. Rather, it was the unexpected connections between Hocus Pocus and another beloved film—An American Tail. As it turns out, the two films share a curious origin story, one that begins in the mid-1980s, during the early days of the creative rebirth of Walt Disney Studios under Michael Eisner, Frank Wells, and Jeffrey Katzenberg.
The Birth of An American Tail
Let’s rewind to late 1984/early 1985, a period when Eisner, Wells, and Katzenberg were just getting settled at Disney and were on the hunt for fresh projects that would signal a new era at the studio. During this time, Katzenberg—tasked with revitalizing Disney Feature Animation—began meeting with talent across Hollywood, hoping to find a project that could breathe life into the struggling division.
One such meeting was with a 29-year-old writer and illustrator named David Kirschner. At the time, Kirschner’s biggest credit was illustrating children’s books featuring Muppets and Sesame Street characters, but he had an idea for a new project: a TV special about a mouse emigrating to America, culminating in the mouse’s arrival in New York Harbor on the same day as the dedication of the Statue of Liberty in 1886.

Katzenberg saw the patriotic appeal of the concept but ultimately passed on it, as he was focused on finding full-length feature projects for Disney’s animation department. Kirschner, undeterred, took his pitch elsewhere—to none other than Kathleen Kennedy, Steven Spielberg’s production partner. Kennedy was intrigued and invited Kirschner to Spielberg’s annual Fourth of July party to pitch the idea directly to the famed director.
Spielberg immediately saw the potential in Kirschner’s idea, but instead of a TV special, he envisioned a full-length animated feature film. This project would eventually become An American Tail, a tribute of sorts to Spielberg’s own grandfather, Philip Posner, who emigrated from Russia to the United States in the late 19th century. The film’s lead character, Fievel, was even named after Spielberg’s grandfather, whose Yiddish name was also Fievel.
Disney’s Loss Becomes Universal’s Gain
An American Tail went on to become a major success for Universal Pictures, which hadn’t been involved in an animated feature since the release of Pinocchio in Outer Space in 1965. Meanwhile, over at Disney, Eisner and Wells weren’t exactly thrilled that Katzenberg had let such a promising project slip through his fingers.
Not wanting to miss out on any future opportunities with Kirschner, Katzenberg quickly scheduled another meeting with him to discuss any other ideas he might have. And as fate would have it, Kirschner had just written a short story for Muppet Magazine called Halloween House, about a boy who is magically transformed into a cat by a trio of witches.
The Pitch That Sealed the Deal
Knowing Katzenberg could be a tough sell, Kirschner went all out to impress during his pitch. He requested access to the Disney lot 30 minutes early to set the stage for his presentation. When Katzenberg and the Disney development team walked into the conference room, they were greeted by a table covered in candy corn, a cauldron of dry ice fog, and a broom, mop, and vacuum cleaner suspended from the ceiling as if they were flying—evoking the magical world of Halloween House.
Katzenberg was reportedly unimpressed by the theatrical setup, muttering, “Oy, show-and-tell time” as he took his seat. But Kirschner knew exactly how to grab his attention. He started his pitch with the fact that Halloween was a billion-dollar business—a figure that made Katzenberg sit up and take notice. He listened attentively to Kirschner’s pitch, and by the time the meeting was over, Katzenberg was convinced. Halloween House would become Hocus Pocus, and Disney had its next big Halloween film.
A Bit of Hollywood Drama
Interestingly, Kirschner’s success with Hocus Pocus didn’t sit well with his old collaborators. About a year after the film’s release, Kirschner ran into Kathleen Kennedy at an Amblin holiday party, and she wasted no time in expressing her disappointment. According to Kirschner, Kennedy said, “You really hurt Steven.” When Kirschner asked how, she explained that Spielberg and Kennedy had given him his big break with An American Tail, but when he came up with the idea for his next film, he brought it to Disney rather than to them.
Hollywood can be a place where loyalty is valued—or, at least, perceived loyalty. At the same time, this was happening just as Katzenberg was leaving Disney and partnering with Spielberg and David Geffen to launch DreamWorks SKG, which only added to the tension. Loyalty, as Kirschner found out, can be an abstract concept in the entertainment industry.
A Halloween Favorite is Born
Despite its rocky start at the box office in 1993, Hocus Pocus has gone on to become a beloved part of Halloween pop culture. And, as Carlin’s book details, its success helped pave the way for more Disney Halloween-themed projects in the years that followed.

As for why Hocus Pocus was released in July of 1993 instead of during Halloween? That’s a story for another time, but it has something to do with another Halloween-themed project Disney was working on that year—Tim Burton’s The Nightmare Before Christmas—and Katzenberg finding himself in the awkward position of having to choose between keeping Bette Midler or Tim Burton happy.
For more behind-the-scenes stories about Hocus Pocus and other Disney films, be sure to check out Witches Run Amok by Shannon Carlin. It’s a fascinating read for any Disney fan!
And if you love hearing these kinds of behind-the-scenes stories about animation and film history, be sure to check out Fine Tooning with Drew Taylor, where Drew and I dive deep into all things movies, animation, and the creative decisions that shape the films we love. You can find us on your favorite podcast platforms or right here on JimHillMedia.com.
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How Disney’s “Bambi” led to the creation of Smokey Bear

When people talk about Disney’s “Bambi,” the scene that they typically cite as being the one from this 1942 film which then scarred them for life is – of course – the moment in this movie where Bambi’s mother gets shot by hunters.
Which is kind of ironic. Given that – if you watch this animated feature today – you’ll see that a lot of this ruined-my-childhood scene actually happens off-camera. I mean, you hear the rifle shot that takes down Bambi’s Mom. But you don’t actually see that Mama Deer get clipped.
Now for the scariest part of that movie that you actually see on-camera … Hands down, that has to be the forest fire sequence in “Bambi.” As the grown-up Bambi & his bride, Faline, desperately race through those woods, trying to find a path to safety as literally everything around them is ablaze … That sequence is literally nightmare fuel.

Mind you, the artists at Walt Disney Animation Studios had lots of inspiration for the forest fire sequence in “Bambi.” You see, in a typical year, the United States experiences – due to either natural phenomenon like lightning strikes or human carelessness – 100 forest fires. Whereas in 1940 (i.e., the year that Disney Studios began working in earnest of a movie version of Felix Salten’s best-selling movie), America found itself battling a record 360 forest fires.
Which greatly concerned the U.S. Forest Service. But not for the reason you might think.
Protecting the Forest for World War II
I mean, yes. Sure. Officials over in the Agricultural Department (That’s the arm of the U.S. government that manages the Forest Service) were obviously concerned about the impact that this record number of forest fires in 1940 had had on citizens. Not to mention all of the wildlife habitat that was now lost.
But to be honest, what really concerned government officials was those hundreds of thousands of acres of raw timber that had been consumed by these blazes. You see, by 1940, the world was on the cusp of the next world war. A conflict that the U.S. would inevitably be pulled into. And all that now-lost timber? It could have been used to fuel the U.S. war machine.
So with this in mind (and U.S. government officials now seeing an urgent need to preserve & protect this precious resource) … Which is why – in 1942 (just a few months after the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor) – the U.S. Forest Service rolls out its first-ever forest fire prevention program.
Which – given that this was the early days of World War II – the slogan that the U.S. Forest Service initially chose for its forest fire prevention program is very in that era’s we’re-all-in-this-together / so-let’s-do-what-we-can-to-help-America’s war-effort esthetic – made a direct appeal to all those folks who were taking part in scrap metal drives: “Forest Defense is National Defense.”

And the poster that the U.S. Forest Service had created to support this campaign? … Well, it was well-meaning as well. It was done in the WPA style and showed men out in the forest, wielding shovels to ditch a ditch. They were trying to construct a fire break, which would then supposedly slow the forest fire that was directly behind them.
But the downside was … That “Forest Defense is National Defense” slogan – along with that poster which the U.S. Forest Service had created to support their new forest fire prevention program didn’t exactly capture America’s attention.
I mean, it was the War Years after all. A lot was going in the country at that time. But long story short: the U.S. Forest Service’s first attempt at launching a successful forest fire prevention program sank without a trace.
So what do you do in a situation like this? You regroup. You try something different.
Disney & Bambi to the Rescue
And within the U.S. government, the thinking now was “Well, what if we got a celebrity to serve as the spokesman for our new forest fire prevention program? Maybe that would then grab the public’s attention.”
The only problem was … Well, again, these are the War Years. And a lot of that era’s A-listers (people like Jimmy Stewart, Clark Gable, even Mel Brooks) had already enlisted. So there weren’t really a lot of big-name celebrities to choose from.
But then some enterprising official at the U.S. Forest Service came up with an interesting idea. He supposedly said “Hey, have you seen that new Disney movie? You know, the one with the deer? That movie has a forest fire in it. Maybe we should go talk with Walt Disney? Maybe he has some ideas about how we can better capture the public’s attention when it comes to our new forest fire prevention program?”
And it turns Walt did have an idea. Which was to use this government initiative as a way to cross-promote Disney Studio’s latest full-length animated feature, “Bambi.” Which been first released to theaters in August of 1942.
So Walt had artists at Disney Studio work up a poster that featured the grown-up versions of Bambi the Deer, Thumper the Rabbit & Flower the Skunk. As this trio stood in some tall grasses, they looked imploring out at whoever was standing in front of this poster. Above them was a piece of text that read “Please Mister, Don’t Be Careless.” And below these three cartoon characters was an additional line that read “Prevent Forest Fires. Greater Danger Than Ever!”

According to folks I’ve spoken with at Disney’s Corporate Archives, this “Bambi” -based promotional campaign for the U.S. Forest Service’s forest fire prevention campaign was a huge success. So much so that – as 1943 drew to a close – this division of the Department of Agriculture reportedly reached out to Walt to see if he’d be willing to let the U.S. Forest Service continue to use these cartoon characters to help raise the public’s awareness of fire safety.
Walt – for reasons known only to Mr. Disney – declined. Some have suggested that — because “Bambi” had actually lost money during its initial theatrical release in North America – that Walt was now looking to put that project behind him. And if there were posters plastered all over the place that then used the “Bambi” characters that then promoted the U.S.’s forest fire prevention efforts … Well, it would then be far harder for Mr. Disney to put this particular animated feature in the rear view mirror.
Introducing Smokey Bear
Long story short: Walt said “No” when it came to reusing the “Bambi” characters to promote the U.S. Forest Service’s forest fire prevention program. But given how successful the previous cartoon-based promotional campaign had been … Well, some enterprising employee at the Department of Agriculture reportedly said “Why don’t we come up with a cartoon character of our own?”
So – for the Summer of 1944 – the U.S. Forest Service (with the help of the Ad Council and the National Association of State Foresters) came up with a character to help promote the prevention of forest fires. And his name is Smokey Bear.
Now a lot of thought had gone into Smokey’s creation. Right from the get-go, it was decided that he would be an American black bear (NOT a brown bear or a grizzly). To make this character seem approachable, Smokey was outfitted with a ranger’s hat. He also wore a pair of blue jeans & carried a bucket.
As for his debut poster, Smokey was depicted as pouring water over a still-smoldering campfire. And below this cartoon character was printed Smokey’s initial catchphrase. Which was “Care will prevent 9 out of 10 forest fires!”

Which makes me think that this slogan was written by the very advertising executive who wrote “Four out of five dentists recommend sugarless gum for their patients who chew gum.”
Anyway … By the Summer of 1947, Smokey got a brand-new slogan. The one that he uses even today. Which is “Only YOU can prevent forest fires.”
The Real Smokey Bear
Now where this gets interesting is – in the Summer of 1950 – there was a terrible forest fire up in the Capitan Mountains of New Mexico. And over the course of this blaze, a bear cub climbed high up into a tree to try & escape those flames.
Firefighters were finally able to rescue that cub. But he was so badly injured in that fire that he was shipped off to the National Zoo in Washington, D.C. and nursed back to health. And since this bear really couldn’t be released back in the wild at this point, he was then put on exhibit.
And what does this bear’s keepers decide to call him? You guessed it: Smokey.

And due to all the news coverage that this orphaned bear got, he eventually became the living symbol of the U.S. Forest Service’s forest fire prevention program. Which then meant that this particular Smokey Bear got hit with a ton of fan mail. So much so that the National Zoo in Washington D.C. wound up with its own Zip Code.
“Smokey the Bear” Hit Song
And on the heels of a really-for-real Smokey Bear taking up residence in our nation’s capital, Steve Nelson & Jack Rollins decide to write a song that shined a spotlight on this fire-fightin’ bruin. Here’s the opening stanza:
With a ranger’s hat and shovel and a pair of dungarees,
You will find him in the forest always sniffin’ at the breeze,
People stop and pay attention when he tells them to beware
Because everybody knows that he’s the fire-preventin’ bear
Believe or not, even with lyrics like these, “Smokey the Bear” briefly topped the Country charts in the Summer of 1950. Thanks to a version of this song that was recorded by Gene Autry, the Singing Cowboy.
By the way, it was this song that started all of the confusion in regards to Smokey Bear’s now. You see, Nelson & Rollins – because they need the lyrics of their song to scan properly – opted to call this fire-fightin’-bruin Smokey THE Bear. Rather than Smokey Bear. Which has been this cartoon character’s official name since the U.S. Forest Service first introduced him back in 1944.
“The Ballad of Smokey the Bear”
Further complicating this issue was “The Ballad of Smokey the Bear,” which was a stop-motion animated special that debuted on NBC in late November of 1966. Produced by Rankin-Bass as a follow-up to their hugely popular “Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer” (which premiered on the Peacock Network in December of 1964) … This hour-long TV show also put a “THE” in the middle of Smokey Bear’s name because the folks at Rankin-Bass thought his name sounded better that way.
And speaking of animation … Disney’s “Bambi” made a brief return to the promotional campaign for the U.S. Forest Service’s forest fire prevention program in the late 1980s. This was because the Company’s home entertainment division had decided to release this full-length animated feature on VHS.
What’s kind of interesting, though, is the language used on the “Bambi” poster is a wee different than the language that’s used on Smokey’s poster. It reads “Protect Our Forest Friends. Only You Can Prevent Wildfires.” NOT “Forest Fires.”
Anyway, that’s how Disney’s “Bambi” led to the creation of Smokey Bear. Thanks for bearin’ with me as I clawed my way through this grizzly tale.
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