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Monday Mouse Watch : Could underwhelming box office receipts for “Ratatouille” really spell trouble for Disney & Pixar officials?
Here’s an article that’s almost sure to upset all you animation fans out there. Jim Hill shares what he’s heard about the projected domestic box office for Brad Bird’s newest movie. Which suggests that “Ratatouille” is going to earn significantly less than “Cars” did last year
Here’s the official party line for the Walt Disney Company nowadays : That everyone who works in Burbank is just thrilled that John Lasseter & Ed Catmull now exert so much control over the corporation. More importantly, that all Mouse House employees have been eager to embrace Pixar‘s “Quality is a great business plan” aesthetic.
Okay. Now do you want to know what’s really going on? Take a gander at this excerpt from an e-mail that I received late last week from a Disney executive:
There are a lot of people here who are now actively hoping for a Pixar backlash. The transition has not been handled well, due mostly to the great care & attention that’s being lavished on Pixar. Every attempt has been made to make sure that that animation studio’s creative culture have been kept intact. Meanwhile, Disney Studio’s own unique traditions & operating systems are being plowed under.
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Many of us here feel that Disney’s own executives (Who in some cases have decades of working experience) are needlessly being forced to take a backseat to the crew from Emeryville. Meanwhile the people from Pixar are afforded stronger creative control, get superior treatment, receive more credit and have their asses kissed regularly by Iger & associates.
The good news is that all of this may all change once “Ratatouille” ‘s box office receipts get counted. Though Brad Bird has made a great little movie, it won’t hit the B.O. numbers that Wall Street wants and that will get a lot of attention.
Not exactly what you expected to hear, right? Wait. The news gets worse.
How much worse? Well, let’s now talk about “Ratatouille” ‘s box office projections. Nikki Finke over at DeadlineHollywoodDaily has been reporting that Pixar’s latest should pull in something around $60 million over its opening weekend. Which then puts “Ratatouille” pretty much on par with what “Monsters, Inc.,” “Cars,” and “Toy Story 2” earned over their opening weekends.
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Mind you, those three Pixar productions would then go on to earn $242 million, $255 million & $245 million over their respective domestic releases. Unfortunately, according to current box office projections, “Ratatouille” isn’t expected to do nearly as well as that.
According to information that studio insiders have shared with me, this Brad Bird movie should only earn $150 – $170 million during its entire domestic run. Which then puts Pixar’s latest on par with what “A Bug’s Life” (I.E. That studio’s lowest grossing animated feature to date) earned back in 1998. Which only took $162 million domestically.
Okay. So you now have “Ratatouille” (Due to the fact that this Pixar production is being released during a particularly competitive summer when people’s movie-going habits are rapidly changing) projected to make only $150 – $170 million during its entire domestic release. Which will be $70 – $90 million less than “Cars” made last summer. And given that many investment analysts still consider that John Lasseter film to be a disappointment because it failed to achieve “Finding Nemo” -sized grosses … Well, how do you think that those folks are going to react when they hear this news?
The word that Disney & Pixar officials fear most here is “trend.” As in ” … ‘Ratatouille’ ‘s disappointing box office receipts continued the downward trend that began last year with the release of ‘Cars.’ ” Which — of course — then re-opens the door to the whole “Did-Disney-over-pay-for-Pixar ?” question.
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Which is why — over the past few weeks — Disney’s PR machine has gone into overdrive. Placing all sorts of pre-emptive pieces in major news weeklys about “Ratatouille.” Which — even as these articles talked up this film’s artistic achievements — they also downplayed the importance of this Brad Bird movie needing to make any real money.
Don’t believe me? Then check out this story that appeared in the June 13th issue of BusinessWeek magazine. Where veteran business writer Ronald Grover actually says:
” … even if Ratatouille doesn’t come out of the gate with some super-duper opening weekend, and folks say that Iger and company got snookered in the Pixar deal, it doesn’t matter. Sure, the Pixar deal was pricey, but it was worth it.”
Mind you, in order to justify this claim, Grover did have to do some rewriting of recent Mouse House history. Take — for example — this line from his “Pixar Purchase Pays Off for Disney” article:
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” … (‘Meet the Robinsons’) is approaching $100 million (in earnings for its domestic box office run, which is) a rarity these days for Disney-made animated films.”
Which would be news to the WDAS employees who worked on “Lilo & Stitch” and “Chicken Little.” Given that that 2002 Dean DeBlois & Chris Sanders film earned over $145 million during its domestic run, while Mark Dindal‘s 2005 CG comedy went on to earn over $135 million stateside.
Anyway … Disney’s PR department really hopes that Wall Street buys into this whole “Ratatouille”-doesn’t-need-to-earn-any-significant-money idea. Because — if not … Well, the next few months could be fairly miserable for Mouse House officials.
So let’s review here … We have Mickey’s own employees chaffing at all of the changes that have occurred at the Disney corporation over the past 15 months. With resentment building toward Pixar staffers, given the obvious favoritism that Disney management has been showing toward its Emeryville-based employees. We also have reports that “Ratatouille” is expected to earn far less than “Cars” did last year. Which is why the Mouse’s PR staff is now aggressively trying to spin this situation, trying to downplay the importance of this new Brad Bird film having to earn any real money during its initial domestic release. So that Wall Street types won’t then start asking inopportune questions like “Did the Walt Disney Company really over-pay when it spent $7.4 billion to acquire Pixar Animation Studios?”
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This already sounds like a pretty bad situation, don’t you think? Well, why don’t we throw in an inside joke that misfired? Which inadvertently insulted the Walt Disney Company’s newest business partner?
To explain: When you’re watching “Ratatouille” later this week, be sure and stay to the very end of the movie. Where you’ll then see this gag credit that Brad Bird reportedly insisted on tacking onto the end of his film. Which reads:
Our Quality Assurance Guarantee:
100% Genuine Animation!
No motion capture or any other performance shortcuts
were used in the production of this film.
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Which (I’m told) is Pixar’s none-too-subtle swipe at all those folks in Hollywood who used performance capture technology to create animated features like “Happy Feet,” “Monster House” and “The Polar Express.”
The only problem is … The producer of “The Polar Express” and “Monster House’ is Robert Zemeckis. As in: The Academy Award-winning director that Mickey just got in bed with in order to create a brand-new 3-D animation studio, Disney’s ImageMovers Digital. And given that this company is supposed to specialize in producing new performance capture-based motion pictures … Well, I hear that Dick Cook, Chairman of Walt Disney Studios, had to call Zemeckis and then personally apologize for this gag credit at the end of “Ratatouille.” To assure Disney’s newest partner that no real insult was intended. That this was just Pixar’s way of twitting all of the other people in Hollywood that used motion capture to make movies. Not Robert.
* Sigh *
It would be nice if this Brad Bird film (Which is actually very cute, by the way. Nancy and I managed to catch last weekend’s sneak preview of the picture and found Pixar’s latest to be quite charming) could catch a break. But — to be honest — in spite of the glow-in-the-dark reviews that “Ratatouille” has received to date, the disappointing domestic box office returns that have been projected for this new CG film suggest that Disney & Pixar officials may may be in for a rough couple of months. As Wall Street revisits what went wrong with “Ratatouille,” then wonders aloud if “WALL * E” will be the movie that can then reverse this emerging trend.
Meanwhile, Disney execs (Like the one whose e-mail I shared at the very start of this article) will be downright giddy. Not because this new Brad Bird film actually failed to meet its initial box office expectations. But — rather — because this under-performance then proves that Pixar isn’t actually perfect. Which will hopefully translate into Bob Iger being a little less likely to follow John Lasseter & Ed Catmull’s advice about what the Walt Disney Company should be doing next.
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I know. This isn’t the hap-hap-happy story that many JHM readers have been hoping to read about “Ratatouille” and Pixar in particular. But this is the news that’s actually coming off the Disney lot these days. And I just thought that you folks would want to know about it.
Your thoughts?
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Seward Johnson bronzes add a surreal, artistic touch to NYC’s Garment District
Greetings from NYC. Nancy and I drove down from New
Hampshire yesterday because we'll be checking out
Disney Consumer Products' annual Holiday Showcase later today.
Anyway … After checking into our hotel (i.e., The Paul.
Which is located down in NYC's NoMad district), we decided to grab some dinner.
Which is how we wound up at the Melt Shop.
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Which is this restaurant that only sells grilled cheese sandwiches.
This comfort food was delicious, but kind of on the heavy side.
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Which is why — given that it was a beautiful summer night
— we'd then try and walk off our meals. We started our stroll down by the Empire
State Building
…
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… and eventually wound up just below Times
Square (right behind where the Waterford Crystal Times Square New
Year's Eve Ball is kept).
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But you know what we discovered en route? Right in the heart
of Manhattan's Garment District
along Broadway between 36th and 41st? This incredibly cool series of life-like
and life-sized sculptures that Seward
Johnson has created.
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And — yes — that is Abraham Lincoln (who seems to have
slipped out of WDW's Hall of Presidents when no one was looking and is now
leading tourists around Times Square). These 18 painted
bronze pieces (which were just installed late this past Sunday night / early
Monday morning) range from the surreal to the all-too-real.
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Some of these pieces look like typical New Yorkers. Like the
business woman planning out her day …
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… the postman delivering the mail …
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… the hot dog vendor working at his cart …
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… the street musician playing for tourists …
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Not to mention the tourists themselves.
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But right alongside the bronze businessmen …
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… and the tired grandmother hauling her groceries home …
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… there were also statues representing people who were
from out-of-town …
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… or — for that matter — out-of-time.
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These were the Seward Johnson pieces that genuinely beguiled. Famous impressionist paintings brought to life in three dimensions.
Note the out-of-period water bottle that some tourist left
behind. Photo by Jim Hill
Some of them so lifelike that you actually had to pause for
a moment (especially as day gave way to night in the city) and say to yourself
"Is that one of the bronzes? Or just someone pretending to be one of these
bronzes?"
Mind you, for those of you who aren't big fans of the
impressionists …
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… there's also an array of American icons. Among them
Marilyn Monroe …
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… and that farmer couple from Grant Wood's "American
Gothic."
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But for those of you who know your NYC history, it's hard to
beat that piece which recreates Alfred Eisenstaedt's famous photograph of V-J Day in Times Square.
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By the way, a 25-foot-tall version of this particular Seward
Johnson piece ( which — FYI — is entitled "Embracing Peace") will actually
be placed in Times Square for a few days on or around August 14th to commemorate the 70th
anniversary of Victory Over Japan Day (V-J Day).
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By the way, if you'd like to check these Seward Johnson bronzes in
person (which — it should be noted — are part of the part of the Garment
District Alliance's new public art offering) — you'd best schedule a trip to
the City sometime over the next three months. For these pieces will only be on
display now through September 15th.
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Wondering what you should “Boldly Go” see at the movies next year? The 2015 Licensing Expo offers you some clues
Greeting from the 2015 Licensing Expo, which is being held
at the Mandalay Bay
Convention Center in Las
Vegas.
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I have to admit that I enjoy covering the Licensing Expo.
Mostly becomes it allows bloggers & entertainment writers like myself to
get a peek over the horizon. Scope out some of the major motion pictures &
TV shows that today's vertically integrated entertainment conglomerates
(Remember when these companies used to be called movie studios?) will be
sending our way over the next two years or so.
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Take — for example — all of "The Secret Life of
Pets" banners that greeted Expo attendees as they made their way to the
show floor today. I actually got to see some footage from this new Illumination
Entertainment production (which will hit theaters on July 8, 2016) the last time I was in Vegas. Which
was for CinemaCon back in April. And the five or so minutes of film that I viewed
suggested that "The Secret Life of Pets" will be a really funny
animated feature.
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Mind you, Universal Pictures wanted to make sure that Expo
attendees remembered that there was another Illumination Entertainment production
coming-to-a-theater-near-them before "The Secret Life of Pets" (And
that's "Minions," the "Despicable Me" prequel. Which
premieres at the Annecy International Animated Film Festival next week but
won't be screened stateside 'til July 10th of this year). Which is why they had
three minions who were made entirely out of LEGOS loitering out in the lobby.
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And Warner Bros. — because they wanted "Batman v
Superman: Dawn of Justice" to start trending on Twitter today — brought
the Batmobile to Las Vegas.
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Not to mention full-sized macquettes of Batman, Superman and
Wonder Woman. Just so conventioneers could then see what these DC superheroes
would actually look like in this eagerly anticipated, March 25, 2016 release.
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That's the thing that can sometimes be a wee bit frustrating
about the Licensing Expo. It's all about delayed gratification. You'll come
around a corner and see this 100 foot-long ad for "The Peanuts Movie"
and think "Hey, that looks great. I want to see that Blue Sky Studios production
right now." It's only then that you notice the fine print and realize that
"The Peanuts Movie" doesn't actually open in theaters 'til November
6th of this year.
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And fan of Blue Sky's "Ice Age" film franchise are in for an even
longer wait. Given that the latest installment in that top grossing series
doesn't arrive in theaters 'til July
15, 2016.
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Of course, if you're one of those people who needs immediate
gratification when it comes to your entertainment, there was stuff like that to
be found at this year's Licensing Expo. Take — for example — how the WWE
booth was actually shaped like a wrestling ring. Which — I'm guessing — meant
that if the executives of World Wrestling Entertainment, Inc. didn't like
the offer that you were making, they were then allowed to toss you out over the
top rope, Royal Rumble-style.
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I also have to admit that — as a longtime Star Trek fan —
it was cool to see the enormous Starship Enterprise that hung in place over the
CBS booth. Not to mention getting a glimpse of the official Star Trek 50th
Anniversary logo.
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I was also pleased to see lots of activity in The Jim Henson
Company booth. Which suggests that JHC has actually finally carved out a
post-Muppets identity for itself.
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Likewise for all of us who were getting a little concerned
about DreamWorks Animation (what with all the layoffs & write-downs &
projects that were put into turnaround or outright cancelled last year), it was
nice to see that booth bustling.
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Every so often, you'd come across some people who were
promoting a movie that you weren't entirely sure that you actually wanted to
see (EX: "Angry Birds," which Sony Pictures Entertainment / Columbia
Pictures will be releasing to theaters on May 20, 2016). But then you remembered that Clay Kaytis —
who's this hugely talented former Walt Disney Animation Studios animator — is
riding herd on "Angry Birds" with Fergal Reilly. And you'd think
"Well, if Clay's working on 'Angry Birds,' I'm sure this animated feature
will turn out fine."
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Mind you, there were reminders at this year's Licensing Expo
of great animated features that we're never going to get to see now. I still
can't believe — especially after that brilliant proof-of-concept footage
popped up online last year — that Sony execs decided not to go forward
with production of Genndy Tartakovsky's
"Popeye" movie. But that's the
cruel thing about the entertainment business, folks. It will sometime break
your heart.
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And make no mistake about this. The Licensing Expo is all
about business. That point was clearly driven home at this year's show when —
as you walked through the doors of the Mandalay
Bay Convention Center
— the first thing that you saw was the Hasbros Booth. Which was this gleaming,
sleek two story-tall affair full of people who were negotiating deals &
signing contracts for all of the would-be summer blockbusters that have already
announced release dates for 2019 & beyond.
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"But what about The Walt Disney Company?," you
ask. "Weren't they represented on the show floor at this year's Licensing
Expo?" Not really, not. I mean, sure. There were a few companies there hyping
Disney-related products. Take — for example — the Disney Wikkeez people.
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I'm assuming that some Disney Consumer Products exec is
hoping that Wikkeez will eventually become the new Tsum Tsum. But to be blunt,
these little hard plastic figures don't seem to have the same huggable charm
that those stackable plush do. But I've been wrong before. So let's see what
happens with Disney Wikkeez once they start showing up on the shelves of the
Company's North American retail partners.
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And speaking of Disney's retail partners … They were
meeting with Mouse House executives behind closed doors one floor down from the
official show floor for this year's Licensing Expo.
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And the theme for this year's invitation-only Disney shindig? "Timeless
Stories" involving the Disney, Pixar, Marvel & Lucasfilm brands that
would then appeal to "tomorrow's consumer."
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And just to sort of hammer home the idea that Disney is no
longer the Company which cornered the market when it comes to little girls
(i.e., its Disney Princess and Disney Fairies franchises), check out this
wall-sized Star Wars-related image that DCP put up just outside of one of its
many private meeting rooms. "See?," this carefully crafted photo
screams. "It isn't just little boys who want to wield the Force. Little
girls also want to grow up and be Lords of the Sith."
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One final, kind-of-ironic note: According to this banner,
Paramount Pictures will be releasing a movie called "Amusement Park"
to theaters sometime in 2017.
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Well, given all the "Blackfish" -related issues
that have been dogged SeaWorld Parks & Entertainment over the past two years, I'm
just hoping that they'll still be in the amusement park business come 2017.
Your thoughts?
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It takes more than three circles to craft a Classic version of Mickey Mouse
You know what Mickey Mouse looks like, right? Little guy,
big ears?
Truth be told, Disney's corporate symbol has a lot of
different looks. If Mickey's interacting with Guests at Disneyland
Park (especially this summer, when
the Happiest Place on Earth
is celebrating its 60th anniversary), he looks & dresses like this.
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Or when he's appearing in one of those Emmy Award-winning shorts that Disney
Television Animation has produced (EX: "Bronco Busted," which debuts
on the Disney Channel tonight at 8 p.m. ET / PT), Mickey is drawn in a such a
way that he looks hip, cool, edgy & retro all at the same time.
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Looking ahead to 2017 now, when Disney Junior rolls out "Mickey and the
Roadster Racers," this brand-new animated series will feature a sportier version
of Disney's corporate symbol. One that Mouse House managers hope will persuade
preschool boys to more fully embrace this now 86 year-old character.
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That's what most people don't realize about the Mouse. The
Walt Disney Company deliberately tailors Mickey's look, even his style of
movement, depending on what sort of project / production he's appearing in.
Take — for example — Disney
California Adventure
Park's "World of Color:
Celebrate!" Because Disney's main mouse would be co-hosting this new
nighttime lagoon show with ace emcee Neil Patrick Harris, Eric Goldberg really had
to step up Mickey's game. Which is why this master Disney animator created
several minutes of all-new Mouse animation which then showed that Mickey was
just as skilled a showman as Neil was.
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Better yet, let's take a look at what the folks at Avalanche Studios just went
through as they attempted to create a Classic version of Mickey & Minnie.
One that would then allow this popular pair to become part of Disney Infinity
3.0.
"I won't lie to you. We were under a lot of pressure to
get the look of this particular version of Mickey — he's called Red Pants
Mickey around here — just right," said Jeff Bunker, the VP of Art
Development at Avalanche Studios, during a recent phone interview. "When
we brought Sorcerer Mickey into Disney Infinity 1.0 back in January of 2014,
that one was relatively easy because … Well, everyone knows what Mickey Mouse
looked like when he appeared in 'Fantasia.' "
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"But this time around, we were being asked to design
THE Mickey & Minnie," Bunker continued. "And given that these Classic
Disney characters have been around in various different forms for the better
part of the last century … Well, which look was the right look?"
Which is why Jeff and his team at Avalanche Studios began watching hours &
hours of Mickey Mouse shorts. As they tried to get a handle on which look would
work best for these characters in Disney Infinity 3.0.
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"And we went all the way back to the very start of Mickey's career. We began
with 'Steamboat Willie' and then watched all of those black & white Mickey shorts
that Walt made back in the late 1920s & early 1930s. From there, we
transitioned to his Technicolor shorts. Which is when Mickey went from being
this pie-eyed, really feisty character to more of a well-behaved leading
man," Bunker recalled. "We then finished out our Mouse marathon by
watching all of those new Mickey shorts that Paul Rudish & his team have
been creating for Disney Television Animation. Those cartoons really recapture
a lot of the spirit and wild slapstick fun that Mickey's early, black &
white shorts had."
But given that the specific assignment that Avalanche Studios had been handed
was to create the most appealing looking, likeable version of Mickey Mouse
possible … In the end, Jeff and his team wound up borrowing bits & pieces
from a lot of different versions of the world's most famous mouse. So that
Classic Mickey would then look & move in a way that best fit the sort of
gameplay which people would soon be able to experience with Disney Infinity
3.0.
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"That — in a lot of ways — was actually the toughest
part of the Classic Mickey design project. You have to remember that one of the
key creative conceits of Disney Infinity
is that all the characters which appear in this game are toys," Bunker
stated. "Okay. So they're beautifully detailed, highly stylized toy
versions of beloved Disney, Pixar, Marvel & Lucasfilm characters. But
they're still supposed to be toys. So our Classic versions of Mickey &
Minnie have the same sort of thickness & sturdiness to them that toys have.
So that they'll then be able to fit right in with all of the rest of the
characters that Avalanche Studios had previously designed for Disney Infinity."
And then there was the matter of coming up with just the
right pose for Classic Mickey & Minnie. Which — to hear Jeff tell the
story — involved input from a lot of Disney upper management.
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"Everyone within the Company seemed to have an opinion
about how Mickey & Minnie should be posed. More to the point, if you Google
Mickey, you then discover that there are literally thousands of poses out there
for these two. Though — truth be told — a lot of those kind of play off the
way Mickey poses when he's being Disney's corporate symbol," Bunker said.
"But what I was most concerned about was that Mickey's pose had to work
with Minnie's pose. Because we were bringing the Classic versions of these
characters up into Disney Infinity 3.0 at the exact same time. And we wanted to
make sure — especially for those fans who like to put their Disney Infinity
figures on display — that Mickey's pose would then complement Minnie.
Which is why Jeff & the crew at Avalanche Studios
decided — when it came to Classic Mickey & Minnie's pose — that they
should go all the way back to the beginning. Which is why these two Disney icons
are sculpted in such a way that it almost seems as though you're witnessing the
very first time Mickey set eyes on Minnie.
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"And what was really great about that was — as soon as
we began showing people within the Company this pose — everyone at Disney
quickly got on board with the idea. I mean, the Classic Mickey that we sculpted
for Disney Infinity 3.0 is clearly a very playful, spunky character. But at the
same time, he's obviously got eyes for Minnie," Bunker concluded. "So
in the end, we were able to come up with Classic versions of these characters
that will work well within the creative confines of Disney Infinity 3.0 but at
the same time please those Disney fans who just collect these figures because
they like the way the Disney Infinity characters look."
So now that this particular design project is over, does
Jeff regret that Mouse House upper management was so hands-on when it came to
making sure that the Classic versions of Mickey & Minnie were specifically
tailored to fit the look & style of gameplay found in Disney Infinity 3.0?
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"To be blunt, we go through this every time we add a new character to the
game. The folks at Lucasfilm were just as hands-on when we were designing the
versions of Darth Vader and Yoda that will also soon be appearing in Disney
Infinity 3.0," Bunker laughed. "So in the end, if the character's
creators AND the fans are happy, then I'm happy."
This article was originally posted on the Huffington Post's Entertainment page on Tuesday, June 9, 2015
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